sd70mac liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in DNS Settings
I personally use Google's DNS, 22.214.171.124 and 126.96.36.199 and have for many years. Obviously I highly recommend using that service. Awesome DNS can make a great difference with reliability and how snappy things load... but it doesn't make your real download or upload speed faster.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by jct21 in various speeds, different browsers
apparently ive found the issue. since upgrading to windows 10 1607 - anniversary update, speed tests using ie11 and edge are cut in half. transfer rates when downloading large files such as drivers from NVidia are half what they should be when using ie and edge. using firefox all speed tests and download transfer rates are what they should be.
that is why while using windows 8.1 all browsers on all speed sites worked fine.
ive tried all the anniversary update internet fix suggestions for windows 10 but none of them work. rolling back the update to a previous version fixes the problem in windows 10 and all browsers and download rates are as they should be. MS needs to fix this.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by Manoj Manilal in TMN speed test vs other speed tests
Thanks, I tried your recommendation, the line reading is 36m (wonderful). Ok great. thanks for other old post as well, makes more sense to me now. I have also installed the TCP optimizer. I'm not sure if it working though, I'm not sure to check it, but all good.
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in TMN speed test vs other speed tests
... long story short, you most likely have the 7-11 Mbps TMN is telling you. But you're in South Africa and the closest server you've tested on is in the UK. I also see that you did multithread tests but selected all of the server, which can bring your score down.
Try multithread again, this time only select UK or DE servers... you could even try both at the same time. Just don't select the wide array you did before. These results will probably be your highest. Both results are true, they're just tested differently. The default single thread test will show you how fast single files are able to download and streaming ability. When you multithread, imagine that it's not downloading a single source, it's grabbing multiple files at the same time. You may be able to perform better in aggregate but not in a single thread. You also may be able to perform better on that single thread if the server is closer to you. By the way, TCP optimizer helps older windows based machines perform better at distance by adjusting MTU and RWIN values.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by ed_1960 in Introducing myself
I´m ed_1960 and I´m a newcomer. I wanted to join this community because in the past I´ve had quite a few problems with different ISPs. Many of them claim internet speed connections that are not true. By joining this community I hope to learn how internet connections are measured and how to track them, so I´ll have a tool I can use and trust next time I feel I´m not getting the INTERNET speed I´m paying for. Also, I´d like to get to know some other people who I can share information with in order to enrich my little knowledge of INTERNET connections as a whole.
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in What do spiky results indicate about a provider?
Probably more likely that it's because Comcast has a wider sample, with more variety. Doesn't mean that they're worse or less reliable. They have options for lower packages, the people with the lower scores may be happy. Without knowing the package speed and the scenario the tests were taken under it would be hard to fully make an assessment like that.
I have improved charting that's on the way that will give you much more useful information when doing those comparisons.
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in 50 MB max upload file is too small
I had temporarily disabled the larger upload tests because I noticed an issue but it appears to be working correctly so you can now test upload up to 100 MB again.
So you're talking about a different connection from the one you're posting from right now, right?
Because your test sizes are more than adequate at those speeds. Even at 100 Mbps (12.5 MB/s) a 100 MB test gives you 8 seconds of testing which is more than enough to get accurate numbers.
Having said that, larger tests are coming. Both upload and download.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by Marvin Herbold in 50 MB max upload file is too small
We have a 100x100 Ethernet over copper Internet connection. Your download test file size caps out at 200 MB which is barely OK (would be better if could do 1 GB). But your upload test file size caps out at 50 MB which is downright tiny when you have an 100 MB/s upload link speed. To put this in perspective my firewall bandwidth monitoring tool samples bandwidth every 5 seconds. The 50 MB upload test barely shows up... not good. We would love for both the download and upload file sizes to max out at 1 GB so it shows up clearly on our firewall monitoring utilities.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by ShakTib in Inaccurate speed results?
I personally see the other test guys as bloated fluffy and sprinkled with glitter to make your speed look good.
TMN currently is my top source for actual answers.
So trying Frankfurt servers with Ookla and getting average 300+, to me is false and completely not possible. I LIVE IN CANADA. My speed SHOULD be lower if I am testing against Europe. I expect that at least some latency or speed drop.
Have you attempted to connect via Ethernet and speed test again this way? Do the results change? Are you getting completely different numbers altogether?
Just to clarify, as it may be called something different here or maybe I am not understanding.
is WLAN sticks just another name for USB WiFi Adaptors for laptops / desktops that don't have network card with WiFi capability built in or is WLAN sticks the 3G/4G Cellular Network USB sticks? (I assume the former, hence why I suggested Ethernet test, since you would have a modem/router hopefully nearby)
ShakTib liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Why Do My Results Differ From Speedtest.net / Ookla Speed Tests?
What it proves is that you were running slower to that server. You should test against other servers and also multithread. I see now that you switched to a server in India (much closer to you) and you were able to get close to 5 Mbps so it looks like you may have already figured that out. Your speed will vary depending on where you're testing against, that's why I offer those extra servers and options.
You get much slower speed to New York... pretty common at that distance.
You have to route through a lot to get there. Are there providers that can provide the same level of service at that distance? Yes, usually on the high end commercial or private.
TestMy.net isn't wrong. You just don't like what it told you. ...if you read around here you'll see it's a pretty common theme, my results don't always match the other guys. That's because this isn't the other guys test. I'm not trying to make friends, I'm trying to make a faster Internet.
ShakTib liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Who owns and runs TestMy.net
Good Evening Jeff,
The question is not "What are you?" it's "Who are you?"
I'm Damon Mueller and I run TestMy.net independently. I also program, design and maintain all aspects of the site. If you like it please tell your friends.
- Damon - TestMy.net
ShakTib liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in "your speed test is inaccurate"
Update: Here's my updated scores. Updated and optimized network configuration and different provider in a different city. The computer and it's configuration were untouched from the first set of tests, still default OSX settings.
:::.. Download Speed Test Result Details ..::: Download Connection Speed:: 107267 Kbps or 107.3 Mbps Download Speed Test Size:: 200.9 MB or 205692 kB or 210628710 bytes Download Binary File Transfer Speed:: 13408 kB/s or 13.4 MB/s Tested At:: http://TestMy.net Version 13 Validation:: http://testmy.net/db/akUNIOW Multithread Test Utilizing:: google.testmy.net Client Stats:: http://testmy.net/quickstats/CA3LE http://testmy.net/compID/4602014672148 Test Time:: 2014-08-07 11:33:45 Local Time Client Location:: Colorado Springs, CO US http://testmy.net/city/colorado_springs_ Target:: Global Multithread http://testmy.net/multithread Client Host:: Comcast Cable http://testmy.net/hoststats/comcast_cable Compare:: 16% slower than client avg, 271% faster than host avg, 240% faster than city avg, 484% faster than country avg, 929% faster than world index 1MB Download in 0.08 Seconds - 1GB Download in ~82 Seconds - 1915X faster than 56K This test of exactly 205692 kB took 15.709 seconds to complete User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_4) AppleWebKit/537.77.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/7.0.5 Safari/537.77.4 [!] Classic Download Test :::.. Download Speed Test Result Details ..::: Download Connection Speed:: 103437 Kbps or 103.4 Mbps Download Speed Test Size:: 200 MB or 204800 kB or 209715200 bytes Download Binary File Transfer Speed:: 12930 kB/s or 12.9 MB/s Tested At:: http://TestMy.net Version 13 Validation:: http://testmy.net/db/wNXhc1U TiP Measurement Summary:: Min 41.45 Mbps | Middle Avg 111.35 Mbps | Max 113.96 Mbps | 5% Variance TiP Data Points:: 88.15 Mbps, 112.01 Mbps, 112.68 Mbps, 113.79 Mbps, 113.96 Mbps, 113.36 Mbps, 110.05 Mbps, 109.73 Mbps, 112.85 Mbps, 113.44 Mbps, 111.93 Mbps, 107.55 Mbps, 107.93 Mbps, 105.66 Mbps, 106.79 Mbps, 113.87 Mbps, 113.79 Mbps, 113.53 Mbps, 41.45 Mbps Client Stats:: http://testmy.net/quickstats/CA3LE http://testmy.net/compID/4602014672148 Test Time:: 2014-08-07 11:36:04 Local Time Client Location:: Colorado Springs, CO US http://testmy.net/city/colorado_springs_ Target:: Dallas, TX US http://dallas.testmy.net Client Host:: Comcast Cable http://testmy.net/hoststats/comcast_cable Compare:: 29% faster than client avg, 251% faster than host avg, 219% faster than city avg, 423% faster than country avg, 885% faster than world index 1MB Download in 0.08 Seconds - 1GB Download in ~82 Seconds - 1847X faster than 56K This test of exactly 204800 kB took 16.226 seconds to complete User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_4) AppleWebKit/537.77.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/7.0.5 Safari/537.77.4 [!]
That's what you want to see, both numbers in line with each other. This not only shows that your Internet is performing well... your computer has to be running right also. I have devices that simply can't perform as well in multithread... most likely being held back by hardware limitations, that test is much more hardware intensive.
When your computer and network are running as well as mine do online services just work right. Although, sometimes I'll still have an issue with a streaming service, run a test here and helps illustrate that it's not affecting my whole connection. Also, it helps having a baseline speed test on a great connection and computer. Then when you test slower on a different computer on the same network you know that it's not a fault of the connection. Could still be a wifi issue, that's why you test wired if you can.
ShakTib liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in "your speed test is inaccurate"
Sorry, long email... hopefully you read it since I wrote it just for you. Your connection may be faster if you take the time.
Don't be so quick to judge. This isn't my first rodeo. I've been testing bandwidth since 1996... (the name TestMy.net came about in 2001) I've dedicated myself to the subject and I've built TestMy.net myself line by line. It IS the most accurate and compatible in browser speed test available and it's able to detect issues that slow you down that other speed tests fail to notice. Ross, I hear this nearly every day. Stick with me and I'll explain a few things. First of all, I too use Usenet, every day. Giganews to be exact. I also am able to pull faster speeds with Usenet than I get from my TestMy.net results. There are various reasons for this. First, your speed on Usenet doesn't instantly ramp up to full speed. TMN is calculating your speed based on everything that happened from start to finish. ...that doesn't account for your speed being THAT much slower, I know, but keep that in mind. Second, Usenet is multithreading the download. Some providers right now are actually shaping their users bandwidth, limiting single thread transactions. TMN reflects this... Usenet and Torrents will be unaffected because they are threading. There is also TCP stack optimizations that can make a HUGE difference. It looks like you're running windows. This is more often the case with windows and fixing it is as easy as running TCP Optimizer, it's free with no install... it simply optimizes your TCP stack. Upon reboot most people have drastically improved speeds. Thousands of users over the years have emailed me and posted in my forum about the success they have with that. When I ran windows that was the first thing I did on a fresh install. Every time it made a huge difference. Trust me, if your results on TMN are effected, you're effected elsewhere too. If TCP is the issue, you will find relief and feel a difference in how snappy things are afterwords. Just because you can achieve 40 Mbps doesn't mean your optimized for that speed. TestMy.net is VERY good at picking up on TCP issues and provider bandwidth shaping because it's a linear, single thread transaction. It's the ONLY speed test that works the way it does. I also offer a multithread speed test now. I encourage you to try this method, it's brand new and the public is barely starting to even notice that I offer it. Personally.... here, I'll just show you my speed. Without Multithread enabled :::.. Download Speed Test Result Details ..::: Download Connection Speed:: 46403 Kbps or 46.4 Mbps Download Speed Test Size:: 80.8 MB or 82688 kB or 84672512 bytes | Timed:: 14.609 seconds Download Binary File Transfer Speed:: 5800 kB/s or 5.8 MB/s Tested At:: http://TestMy.net Version 13 Validation:: http://testmy.net/db/B0984KF TiP Measurement Summary:: Min 23.65 Mbps | Middle Avg 50.84 Mbps | Max 51.28 Mbps | 44% Variance TiP Data Points:: 24.89 Mbps, 47 Mbps, 51.28 Mbps, 51.19 Mbps, 50.94 Mbps, 51.11 Mbps, 51.19 Mbps, 51.06 Mbps, 50.98 Mbps, 51.28 Mbps, 51.19 Mbps, 51.02 Mbps, 51.15 Mbps, 50.98 Mbps, 50.72 Mbps, 50.81 Mbps, 51.02 Mbps, 51.28 Mbps, 23.65 Mbps More Stats:: http://testmy.net/quickstats/CA3LE http://testmy.net/compID/625710007986 Test Time:: 2013-06-26 08:09:47 Local Time Location:: Phoenix, AZ US >> Destination:: San Jose, CA US 1MB Download in 0.18 Seconds - 1GB Download in ~3 Minutes - 829X faster than 56K This test of exactly 82688 kB took 14.609 seconds to complete Running at 253% of hosts average (Cox Communications http://testmy.net/hoststats/cox_communications) User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_3) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/27.0.1453.93 Safari/537.36 [!] With Multithread enabled :::.. Download Speed Test Result Details ..::: Download Connection Speed:: 85954 Kbps or 86 Mbps Download Speed Test Size:: 80.7 MB or 82668 kB or 84651996 bytes | Timed:: 7.879 seconds Download Binary File Transfer Speed:: 10744 kB/s or 10.7 MB/s Tested At:: http://TestMy.net Version 13 Validation:: http://testmy.net/db/pGvHWzK Multithread Test Utilizing:: west2.testmy.net More Stats:: http://testmy.net/quickstats/CA3LE http://testmy.net/compID/625710007986 Test Time:: 2013-06-26 08:08:38 Local Time Location:: Phoenix, AZ US >> Destination:: Global Multithread 1MB Download in 0.1 Seconds - 1GB Download in ~2 Minutes - 1535X faster than 56K This test of exactly 82668 kB took 7.879 seconds to complete Running at 474% of hosts average (Cox Communications http://testmy.net/hoststats/cox_communications) User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_3) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/27.0.1453.93 Safari/537.36 [!] Both are testing from the same server, same amount of information, moments apart but the test is invoked differently. Both results are right... put a meter on the line and you'll see. Some faster connections need to multithread to pull their full speed. Now, if I optimized my TCP stack just right I would probably be able to get those numbers more in line with each other... I leave settings default on my machines because it aids my development. Having the issue myself showed me that I needed a multithread test to give people to compare the classic results to. ... so I recently built and released it. If I always rocked optimal settings myself then I wouldn't be able to test the way the majority of my visitors test. I have optimal setups I test with too, achieving hundreds of Mbps. (commercial connections, not my home connection... I wish!) You can multithread to one or all of my servers... giving you the ability to get a global result from a single test. No other speed test is able to perform this way. Another feature that really sets TMN apart. I also see that you're in Scotland, International routes and distance will drop your speeds as well. I recommend testing off my server in Amsterdam. Compare the results to what you get to my servers in the US (since you probably visit many sites hosted in the US). Again, TCP optimization is important. Because you're adjusting the maximum size of the packets. Imagine it like this. You have a bucket and a thimble. The thimble is what you're working with now... when you increase your MTU you'll be working with a bucket. You don't have to go back and fourth to the well as many times with the bucket. At short distance it's less noticeable but testing all the way across the Atlantic... your speed is going to suffer with that thimble. What also comes into play is that many consumer level international routes can be limited. (this is getting better over the years... it used to be a more widespread problem) Multithreading will raise the speed in that situation as long as the route isn't being limited by congestion. I hope that you find the issue, resolve it and email me back. Like I said, I get this a lot. Nearly everyone emails me back to say, "Sorry... I'm going to tell my friends about TestMy.net now..." -- I hope that in the end you'll see that TMN reports the truth and share my site with your friends. I work day and night to make it better for you. I don't advertise so I rely on my work to speak for itself and let the public decide if it's worth sharing. So far, so good. Cheers, - Damon - TestMy.net P.S. I realized I forgot to give you a link to the Amsterdam server http://eu.testmy.net will default you to Amsterdam, NL. You can also make a selection at http://testmy.net/mirror ... a link to that is at the top of all the pages. See attachement.
I recommend the official servers because I control them but if you look under the self hosted tab you'll see a server in Huerth, NRW Germany and London, GB. You might want to try those too. Any mirror listed is capable of at least 100 Mbps, my official servers are all connected with a minimum of 1000 Mbps... my main server in Dallas has dual 1000 Mbps uplinks to the Internet. ... all of my servers are connected through the Softlayer Network which has some of the deepest peering in the industry and a worldwide private network. The cities where I host my servers are chosen based on their website hosting popularity. My site in Texas hosts well over 100,000 servers each of which can have countless websites... that's not to mention all the other hosts in Dallas, that's JUST Softlayer's servers. You're going to connect to the areas where my servers are if you're on the Internet... so those are the areas I have you test to. Other speed tests try to eliminate routing factors to boost your score... I believe those are important variables. You already know the speed you're supposed to get... I'm trying to show you the speed that you REALLY get. Cheers, - D
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Expat With Brazil Net
Hey @That_Eriksson I'll have a server online in Sao Paulo Brazil for you in just a few. I'll update this topic when it's online. It's with a hosting company I haven't tested so we'll have to see if it provides good comparison for our South American friends.
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by little oz2 in Test longer than 100 times
is it possible if i could test more than 100 times on the auto test?
As i am trying to diagnose my internet and it drops in small sections so was going to run the test every 5 minutes but running this 100 times is only just over 8 hours
suddenLYUNlinked liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Why Do My Results Differ From Speedtest.net / Ookla Speed Tests?
Thank you for spreading the word, I love your username. Noticed you online here and there before you posted and it made me laugh.
The ISPs don't seem to like me these days. I get no love from them anymore. :-/ --- good thing I didn't make this site for them.
DCTdriver liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Why Do My Results Differ From Speedtest.net / Ookla Speed Tests?
The most common question that people ask us is why their results here differ from speedtest.net. I want to explain something that may help you understand why this is.
According to the Ookla Wiki the following is true about your tests taken at speedtest.net...
The fastest 10% and slowest 30% of your results are DISCARDED The remaining data is averaged together to determine the final result Throwing away the fastest 10% and slowest 30% of the results in my opinion does not make for an accurate test. Isn't THAT the data that you're here to see?
Also note this isn't only true for speedtest.net. Ookla is huge, most of the speed tests online run their software.
Multithreading makes your connection look better
Ookla speed tests are also multithreaded. Meaning that they open more than one connection to the host and combine the speeds. This often can mask congestion issues. For instance, imagine that you have a pipe along your route that's limiting you to 10 Mbps. If you open more than one connection through that pipe you'll be able to achieve a faster speed... but testing that way will not clue you in that there is actually a problem along the route. Remember, you shouldn't have to multithread your connection to pull your full speed.
Multithreaded speed tests, like the majority out there, are designed to benefit the Internet provider not the consumer. They often display your maximum throughput not your throughput over the course of an entire upload or download. Omitting the worst portion of your test resulting in inflated scores that may make you feel warm and fuzzy but aren't going to help you see and resolve connection issues.
Multithreading can show that you're able to max out your connection by combining the speed of concurrent connections but a great connection can max out without having to multithread.
So, if you have to multithread your connection to get your full speed, you should be asking why that is. With TestMy.net it's instantly apparent if there is a congested route. Your speed here reflects the actual loading time of data within your browser... not the combined efforts of multiple threads being altered (dropping the top 10% and bottom 30% of the results) and added together, all through a plugin that isn't suited for the task.
:: EDIT ::
If you'd like to multithread with TMN, I offer that as well. Try the multithread speed test. TMN's multithread test gives you the option to select from an array of servers. Allowing you to test across multiple routes, to more than one server at a time. TestMy.net is the only Internet speed test with this ability.
So THAT'S why your results differ. -- TestMy.net is a harder test to ace and a lot less forgiving than other speed tests. But isn't that what a benchmark should be?
:: EDIT ::
Another thing to consider is if you're running windows, particularly if it's older than Windows 7 you may need to tune your TCP stack to see your full speeds. Windows doesn't always come out of the box optimized for fast connections. Flash based speed tests fail to detect this problem.
To make this change for free I recommend TCP Optimizer. This makes changing those settings very easy and nearly fool proof. Just open it, slide the bar over to your speed that you're supposed to have, check "modify all adapters" ...apply the settings and reboot. You should have faster speeds after your re-test if that was the problem.
Here's an outside source talking about exactly this issue, I'll hunt down more examples. >> Download Speed Test - Something fishy?
A few related topics ::
Accuracy.. Slow upload, drastically different from other speed tests Resuts Vs. Actual Download speeds? TestMy.net shows different results than other speed tests TestMy v Ookla Difference Between Speed Test Sites? Satellite Service Testing Locking at around 14Mbps Questioning speedtest.net resolved with TestMy.net
Outside Sources ::
Internet providers caught inflating speed test results [myce.com] Use Testmy.net or else!! NO MORE speedtest.net posts will be allowed!!! by the Admin on [xplornetsucks.com] Accurate Speeds Or Speed Test Error? on [wildblueworld.com]
ajman994 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Access TIP data for CSV export
I need to make a graphing option that groups by hour like that, very useful.
How often are you getting results that have spikes that large? I just looked through a whole page of your results and didn't find one quite like that.
Share the test ID's of some of those results so we can look closer.
Your end goal is to highlight those results so you're able to detect a pattern, exporting just helps you develop your own solution. You'd really rather that TMN visually show you when those anomalies occur (without having to open details on each result) rather than you having to manipulate the information yourself. Right?
I can make a 24 hour plot that aggregates by hour, like your first graph. But also plot the aggregate variances. Could also make a highlight option, where you can set the percentage (for middle variance) and TMN will highlight the results over the level you set. I think that should make finding those anomalies and establishing if any patterns exist easier.
What do you think?
CA3LE liked a post in a topic by Roco in Hi TMN folk
don't post much these days I have regressed back into historic cars , and letting computer tech past me by in the fast lane , indeed going back to my roots inn my old age
but logged in to say Happy Peaceful NEW YEAR in 2017 it's already arrived in the UK ,
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Which ISP to go for ADSL line in Bedfordview
Note: you can also do this for states.
Arizona download speed city rank with a minimum of 5000 recent results.
California download speed city rank with a minimum of 5000 recent results.
Colorado download speed city rank with a minimum of 5000 recent results.
Pgoodwin1 liked a post in a topic by CA3LE in Which ISP to go for ADSL line in Bedfordview
Actually @mudmanc4 that lists all the hosts with "za" anywhere in the name.
I'm not sure if that functionality is even easy to find here. I'll make sure that it's easier to find soon.
For now, here's a URL shortcut to make your own queries.
/countryrank (base URL)
/us (change this to the two letter country code you'd like to query)
/down (if you'd like to rank upload instead change this to /up)
/20000 (this is the minimum recent test count... helps filter out the less popular results, which makes for better data. Smaller cities can appear much higher or lower because of the smaller sample size.)
In this way you can create the link above for ZA
You can also look directly at Bellfordview, ZA -- look at the ISP Rank tab
Also look at the Speed Test Log using the button below the graph.
Not very many results in Bellfordview so I would look also at the cities nearby. Like Germiston, ZA (I'm not sure of the area, you'd know probably know better [larger] cities to search for in your area. You can search on TestMy.net but personally I just use google and search for "Germiston ZA testmy.net" or any other city.)
Repeat that for some other cities nearby. If you keep seeing Telkom Internet [www.telkom.co.za] on top it can be safe to say they're your best choice in the area, especially if there is as much difference as we've seen in the first two cities.
There may be less popular, faster choices so make sure you look at the Speed Test Log and tell TMN ranking to 'Show All' -- this setting will be remembered for subsequent queries.
So actually, upon closer inspection... I'd check out Internet Solutions [www.is.co.za] first, especially if you see them coming up high on the list allot on the other major cities in the area.
Just because the sheep mostly flock to one pasture doesn't mean the grass is actually better. They may not have found the other meadow yet, they may just want to stick with what they know or they may just tend to go where the other sheep go. Sometimes the less popular choice is really the better one.