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#21 JokeyMcScrotsack

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 06:44 PM

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Where has honor, integrity and decency gone? Is this a generational thing? Is the byproduct of our advances in technology? Do you feel that freedom of religion has contributed to this?

Let’s look back to the late 1800’s/ early 1900’s (And yes, I am talking generally, not EVERY circumstance that happened, so do not get anal about one occurrence that goes against my rant here or I will have to ~school~ you the “water way”).

Back then, people stopped what they were doing to help out a neighbor who lost 4 cows. Now: We don’t even bother to help a neighbor look for 1 stray dog.

Back then, people would go help their neighbors raise a barn, today we don’t even invite them over for dinner.

Back then, we watched out for other people’s kids. Today? We have pedophiles on every street corner.

Kids are on line looking at porn, young adults are knowingly buying stolen goods, parents are so wrapped up in their own issues that they don’t recognize that their kid is going to shoot up a school or that they cut themselves.

We have rampant ADHD, depressive disorders, murders over x-boxes, murders over weed, and we generally treat each other like S#!t. People forget that others on line are real people and get nasty with them, when they wouldn’t talk that way to a stranger that just hit their car. We are multitasking so much that we don’t acknowledge that the little kid next door is being beaten by his dad, and his mom is a crack addict.

When did we become so internalized and why? What has caused us to go from a world of caring people, to a world of materialistic bastards?

Is the next DVD player or big screen TV so important that we will sacrifice our own children’s future in order to watch a larger rendition of the racing vehicles at NASCAR? Does the need to see the Detroit Lion’s 2 feet tall lessen our ability to read to our kids, or let them read to us?

Where are the parents today? Where are the friendships today?

Can anyone tell me?

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    I think there have always been and always will be good and bad parents. Although the parenting structure has degredated with womens lib. I'm not pro woman staying home and being the maid. I am pro ONE PARENT ANY PARENT staying home. Either you want kids and you do it right or you shouldn't do it.
    As far as violence and pedophiles it has and always will be a 49%-51% battle. Good and Evil. Back in the 1800's they had cattle rustlers and "fights" consisted of two men in the street with guns with no regards for others. Prostitutes ran rampant and alcohol was a main stay. If you believe in the Bible go back to Cain and Able. The violence started there and has never stopped. Kings ruled kingdoms hundreds or thousands of years ago and used slaves to build monuments (killing MANY).
    Early 1900's saw gangsters and organized crime boom in the US. People killed each other over claims to gold and people married 14 year old girls.
    In the Eskimo culture having sex with your 12 y/o daughter has long been a tradition and LONG ago if a Eskimo man was traveling and he stayed with another native the host would offer his wife to the traveler with the understanding if he was ever traveling the same would be done for him. Still to this day the age of consent for sex is 16 in Alaska. So it is legal for a 50 year old man to bang a 16 year old girl all day long. 
    Rome was a dirt pile of corruption, sex and greed. Where men were slaughtered as gladiators but they were little more than slaves. All for the amusement of the people. This world has always been corrupt but every generation seems to think that when they were young food was cheap, there was little to no crime and people respected their elders. Of course this was never true. There was always a majority of people who where dirt poor serving the rich. Crime was always out of control and youths often acted horribly.
    Africans where taken as slaves, worked, beaten, used as sex toys  and killed. All as if nothing was wrong.
    It will get worse because now days you cant tell anyone anything they do is wrong. If a man wants to marry a man, hey its cool. You want to kill that baby inside your belly, go right ahead. You want to illegally enter the US and stay we wont say a word. Don't want your kid to pray in school, well hell we wont allow anyone to pray in school. Whats that you want to rape a 10 year old, we'll give you 10 years in prison, which amounts to about the same amount of time you can do for carrying pot. Drown you children to death, nah your not guilty your insane. Don't want to work we will give you money, then at tax time we will give you even more, plus we will give you as an added bonus food stamps that you can go out and sell for 50 cents on the dollar so you can buy smokes.
    The USA is just a small blip on the radar of history. It will become so corrupt and vile that one day it will fall, just like every powerful group before it since the beginning of time. All due to the fact we cant tell anyone they are wrong and if you aren't  PC you are the worst person on earth. If you are still reading at this point you made it farther than I thought you would. Have a nice day.

edit: fixed a name for you.. lol
and yes, I read the whole thing ;)


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Posted 02 August 2006 - 06:48 PM

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Hell Ill message him he can sue me for slander all day long. Watch me "harrass" this lil punk. Wish me luck.
show him who is boss :evil6: :evil3:

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:08 PM

Yeah I read it shug.
My wife's grandfather's saying is "right is right, and wrong is wrong".
Too simple!
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#24 JokeyMcScrotsack

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:12 PM

Im impressed anyone read it all the way through. And your post is correct. Problem is nobody will tell anyone else they are "wrong" anymore. If you want to do it, there is some group that will argue you should be able too. :( Im with grandpa.

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:18 PM

I read it all, too. I don't mind long posts when they are informative and insightful. Shows a side of you we don't see all the time.  ;)

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:19 PM

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Im impressed anyone read it all the way through. And your post is correct. Problem is nobody will tell anyone else they are "wrong" anymore. If you want to do it, there is some group that will argue you should be able too. :( Im with grandpa.
i read the whole thing i have to agree with what you are saying.  The world has always had problems but the difference between then and now is that back then these issues were not takiin lightly but now everything just seems to be taken way to lightly. :roll:

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:31 PM

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i read the whole thing i have to agree with what you are saying.  The world has always had problems but the difference between then and now is that back then these issues were not takiin lightly but now everything just seems to be taken way to lightly. :roll:
I agree with you to an extent. I think the victims have always taken it hard but the perpatrators have not. But you are right.

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I read it all, too. I don't mind long posts when they are informative and insightful. Shows a side of you we don't see all the time.  ;)
Ill take that as a complement so thank you. :D If its not just let me think it is. :haha:

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:57 PM

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Ill take that as a complement so thank you. :D If its not just let me think it is. :haha:

Yeah, bro. It was intended as a compliment.  ;)

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 08:54 PM

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Yeah I read it shug.
My wife's grandfather's saying is "right is right, and wrong is wrong".
Too simple!
:D

He's right.

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Problem is nobody will tell anyone else they are "wrong" anymore.

Tell me about it.  It's partially due to the idea of "relativism" (sorry if you believe in relativism).  I won't get into that, though.  I don't want to disrupt the peace that characterizes this forum. 

And I did read your whole post.  :haha:

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 08:58 PM

i have never heard of relavitism

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 09:31 PM

"relativism"

1)the concept that a cultural system can be viewed only in terms of the principles, background, frame of reference, and history that characterize it.

2the view that truth is relative and not absolute. It varies from people to people, time to time.

3In ethics, relativism is the opposite of absolutism . Where as absolutism insists that there are universal ethical standards that are inflexible and absolute , relativism asserts that ethical mores vary from era to era, culture to culture, situation to situation. For instance, an absolutist would condemn China's forced-abortion policy, while a relativist would say that in a culture of one billion human beings, such a policy is acceptable and even beneficial for the whole of Chinese society. ...
http://www.google.co...nition&ct=title

Something like that!  :D

#3 probably says it best.  ;)

I personally feel the temporary insane theory should go out the door. If you killed someone, you either had good reason or NOT! The jury of your peers will know. Now die like a dog!

"I did not realize what I was doing when I drowned my 4 children."

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 09:33 PM

thx now i understand

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 12:29 AM

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if you aren't  PC you are the worst person on earth.
I just found out from Shug I'm the worst person on Earth.  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 06:14 AM

Who's PC?

EDIT:  Thanks php, I guess the question should've been what's PC. :D

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 06:21 AM

politically correct (bah)

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:16 AM

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I just found out from Shug I'm the worst person on Earth.  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:
hell cholla I thought you knew that. ;)

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:30 AM

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  I think there have always been and always will be good and bad parents. Although the parenting structure has degredated with womens lib. I'm not pro woman staying home and being the maid. I am pro ONE PARENT ANY PARENT staying home. Either you want kids and you do it right or you shouldn't do it.
  As far as violence and pedophiles it has and always will be a 49%-51% battle. Good and Evil. Back in the 1800's they had cattle rustlers and "fights" consisted of two men in the street with guns with no regards for others. Prostitutes ran rampant and alcohol was a main stay. If you believe in the Bible go back to Cain and Able. The violence started there and has never stopped. Kings ruled kingdoms hundreds or thousands of years ago and used slaves to build monuments (killing MANY).
  Early 1900's saw gangsters and organized crime boom in the US. People killed each other over claims to gold and people married 14 year old girls.
  In the Eskimo culture having sex with your 12 y/o daughter has long been a tradition and LONG ago if a Eskimo man was traveling and he stayed with another native the host would offer his wife to the traveler with the understanding if he was ever traveling the same would be done for him. Still to this day the age of consent for sex is 16 in Alaska. So it is legal for a 50 year old man to bang a 16 year old girl all day long. 
  Rome was a dirt pile of corruption, sex and greed. Where men were slaughtered as gladiators but they were little more than slaves. All for the amusement of the people. This world has always been corrupt but every generation seems to think that when they were young food was cheap, there was little to no crime and people respected their elders. Of course this was never true. There was always a majority of people who where dirt poor serving the rich. Crime was always out of control and youths often acted horribly.
  Africans where taken as slaves, worked, beaten, used as sex toys  and killed. All as if nothing was wrong.
  It will get worse because now days you cant tell anyone anything they do is wrong. If a man wants to marry a man, hey its cool. You want to kill that baby inside your belly, go right ahead. You want to illegally enter the US and stay we wont say a word. Don't want your kid to pray in school, well hell we wont allow anyone to pray in school. Whats that you want to rape a 10 year old, we'll give you 10 years in prison, which amounts to about the same amount of time you can do for carrying pot. Drown you children to death, nah your not guilty your insane. Don't want to work we will give you money, then at tax time we will give you even more, plus we will give you as an added bonus food stamps that you can go out and sell for 50 cents on the dollar so you can buy smokes.
  The USA is just a small blip on the radar of history. It will become so corrupt and vile that one day it will fall, just like every powerful group before it since the beginning of time. All due to the fact we cant tell anyone they are wrong and if you aren't  PC you are the worst person on earth. If you are still reading at this point you made it farther than I thought you would. Have a nice day.

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and yes, I read the whole thing ;)


OK, I read the whole thing and I agree with many of the things you said.

But don't you think there's a decent balance between free choice and hurting another person?

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 08:55 AM

Yeah. Don't get in the situation in the first place.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 09:39 AM

Well, an abused child can't exactly make that choice before they get abused.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 10:34 AM

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OK, I read the whole thing and I agree with many of the things you said.

But don't you think there's a decent balance between free choice and hurting another person?
Oh hell.. none of that was my opinion, it is all fact. My opinion is if you hit another person in the face for any reason you are in jail forever. You wanna abuse a child, death penalty. Violence at all would be punishable by death in my book. Once you affect someone else's life yours should be taken away. Now I don't mean accidents, I mean you sexually or physically harm someone with malice you are gone in my book. Thats the way I see it.





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