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#41 gotmilk

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 10:42 AM

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Oh hell.. none of that was my opinion, it is all fact. My opinion is if you hit another person in the face for any reason you are in jail forever. You wanna abuse a child, death penalty. Violence at all would be punishable by death in my book. Once you affect someone else's life yours should be taken away. Now I don't mean accidents, I mean you sexually or physically harm someone with malice you are gone in my book. Thats the way I see it.

I agree.  Not to that extent, but not too far from it.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 01:45 PM

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Well, an abused child can't exactly make that choice before they get abused.

I should have been more specific... I wasn't referring to that part of shug's post.
That's another story entirely, although I still think abortion for any reason is murder.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 02:04 PM

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although I still think abortion for any reason is murder.
I would agree with you 99% php, but you have some different cases. What if your wife is lying on the table, and you have a choice of your wife lives or your child lives? Either way it is murder. What do you do in rape cases, adoption or what.(say a white woman gets raped by a black individual etc...)
I think it is a case by case problem on some of them.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 02:13 PM

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I would agree with you 99% php, but you have some different cases. What if your wife is lying on the table, and you have a choice of your wife lives or your child lives? Either way it is murder. What do you do in rape cases, adoption or what.(say a white woman gets raped by a black individual etc...)
I think it is a case by case problem on some of them.

I think it still shouldn't be her choice.  The baby is not a part of the mother's body, it is its own being, and she should have no right to take away its life.  As far as rape goes, why should the child be punished for the actions of the father?  Adoption is clearly the best choice in that situation.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 03:22 PM

abortion is wrong and it is murder, no as far as rape goes abortion is still not the right decision imo

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 04:59 PM

hmmm.. I sure didnt mean to start an abortion thread. :haha: I hope we can make it through this one with civility. The ONLY case that I can see aborting a child is rape and/or the womans life is at risk. I still dont think it is a choice that should be made by any human, to me it doesnt matter how old the being is if you kill you kill. If abortion was outlawed except for those two circumstances I wouldnt bitch but I wouldnt like it. CMON PEOPLE LETS KEEP IT CIVIL. ;)

Ugg, I can see this going downhill. :haha:

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 05:20 PM

That's better suited to the members lounge

opps, put my foot in it there didn't I? ;)

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 05:23 PM

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That's better suited to the members lounge

opps, put my foot in it there didn't I? ;)
:haha: I bet we can keep it civil, we have kept religion pretty civil. I was impressed with that, no shit impressed.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 05:56 PM

im not trying to start an argument at all, im just stating my opinion. ;)

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 06:15 PM

So......how about those Astros, huh?  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 06:41 PM

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So......how about those Astros, huh?  :haha:  :haha:  :haha:
ASTROS SUCK... nah I dont even watch baseball, but nice topic change. :haha:

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:32 PM

I'm not an Astros fan either.I like playing baseball but watching it is like watching paint dry.
On the abortion subject.I consider it murder in all circumstances.This is because of my religion & I beleive life begins at fertilization.That being said it is much easier being a male & having this view.I'm glad I won't ever be the one who has to make the decision.
Right now women have the right to make the choice by law so until that changes I will leave it between them & God.Even legally the unborn child should be considered half the males child & he should have to give his consent also for abortion.Because if she has the child he will be liable for child support even if he wanted the child aborted.With each having 50% say neither could force abortion or birth.
I'm still waiting to see what happens to the first male that just drops a newborn off at the police station under the no questions asked law in some states.So far it was written for women to do this.Completly innoring fathers rights.It seems the only right men don't have a problem with the law enforcing is the right to support their children.
I'm not going to get into the race issue but child support is enforced with a lot more gusto on white men.

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:41 PM

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I'm not an Astros fan either.I like playing baseball but watching it is like watching paint dry.

I hate baseball, too. Watching grass grow has more exciting moments.

I'll stay out of the abortion debate, though. Because I don't have a uterus, my opinion on the subject doesn't really matter much.  :shock:

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:42 PM

i watch baseball some

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 07:43 PM

I only enjoy baseball if the Royals are playing at home, and I get my hot dog and drink. And only when I have the 2 girls with me, now that is baseball!                                                          
                               [move] GO ROYALS         GO ROYALS [/move]  

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 09:16 PM

I've watched paint dry before... it can get interesting at times

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 09:43 PM

Go RedSocks!!!! Woot!!! Boo Yankees. I'm not really a fan of baseball, but living between Boston and New York, you sort of have to choose one or the other or die of loneliness during the baseball season...My boyfriend is an Astros fan, but thats only because he wants to be nonconformist... Well, anyways, I feel like a rant so here goes...

All the problems we have today are the same as they have been for ages. The only difference now is that we are more connected to each other, so we notice them. (plus the extra tech)

-Violence, there has always been violence, but now we have guns. Its a lot easier to kill someone with a gun than your fist. Child abuse has always existed, but only in our current times has it gained that title, before it was discipline. I know there is a difference between the abuse and discipline, but many parents fear that if they give their kid a spanking their kid might tell a friend and someone with too much time on their hands might report them to the DCF.
-Religion is in decline, Not many people in my age group that I know of (including myself) are devout catholics. In an age where we look for an explanation for everything, religions that offer no explanation aren't very appealing. When we didn't have the answers, it was nice to have god as an explanation for everything, but now... Religion offered a guideline for living for many, but with its decline so do the guidelines (I'll save my real rant on religion for another date and time)
-Media, media is new, and with it comes many evils. Media is what drives many in their quests for material possessions, and shapes the lives of many. It exploits insecurities of people and lures them in to lives of unfufillment. Artists, hoping to gain fame,cross boundaries. People too weak to think for themselves flock to emulate the originator. "Music" of today makes thinks like drugs and sex seem generally accepted.
-Someone mentioned living off the government. In most cases I find this to be wrong. I live in a city where up till about five years ago there was a very generous welfare system. Some certain racial groups flooded our city, and ate up the money like it was candy. It was not uncommon for there to be mothers who would take no precautions and have more kids just so their check from the state was bigger. I think that the program is still good when not abused, but for that there have to be regulations. In my old highschool there would be kids who were living off of government money with better things than I had. How you ask? The parents would have jobs, but not file taxes, if the government doesn't know that you are employed, why would they take away your aid?
-Abortion, I see many of you are anti-abortion except in extream cases. Abortion has been in existence for ages, but only now is it readily available. Even if they ban it here, if someone is determined enough, they will find some way around it. Isn't it safer for someone to take care of an unwanted pregnancy by consulting a doctor than consulting a wire hanger in their closet?(sorry for that, but, tis my opinion)
-Mental disorders weren't very common till the common day and age. Kids are over-stimulated, causing stuff like ADHD. Take away the TV and videogames and maybe their attention problems will vanish. Stress is rampant in our lives, and thats what triggers most of the mental diseases. If everyone just slowed down a bit, I'm sure that a lot of the problems would just go away.

Thats enough rant, stupid headaches are starting up cause of looking at this screen too long. In short, we're advancing, morals are crumbling, and I hope something apocalyptic happens so people can realize whats really important on the human scale. (on the cosmic scale our lives are but a grain of sand in  an unending hourglass: our lives are meaningless)

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 10:03 PM

The American dream is to live wealthy. So wouldn't it be better if i care just care about myself and get the reward? Thats how people think now days. The U.S. has been practicing individualism for a while now and it has had benefits and downfalls. I've seen how collectiveism works and it seems really peaceful. It wouldn't work with the u.s. though but I'm kind of glad. I love my country and the way it is we just have to work out the bad things. When something gets stronger and stronger you become your own enemy. People get what they want even if its something bad. If they don't, they'll do something stupid. Thats just how the world is today.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 08:16 AM

Daiquirii;I don't want to adress all your rant.I'm glad I have a better outlook.I already posted my view on abortion.
For the welfare & having more children to get more.Mandatory sterilization on the first birth the government has to pay for would cure this.That's for the father also btw.
Now to the guns."The history of firearms is the history of freedom"
For you end statement "our lives are meaningless'
We are children of the universe no less the the stars & the trees .We have a right to be here.
While in that mode I'm a Christian & happy to be one.God will take care of things in His time .This end is already written in the Bible.
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When something gets stronger and stronger you become your own enemy.
I answer with this quote"When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people ... and ... becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression ... it is a ... sacred obligation to their posterity to abolish such government
and create another in its stead." -- Sam Houston
Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
-- George Washington

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 08:43 AM

[quote name='Daiquirii]-Religion is in decline' date=' Not many people in my age group that I know of (including myself) are devout catholics.[/quote']

Yes, it is, but you mentioned religion in general, and then you mentioned that not many people in your age group are devout Catholics.  Catholicism isn't the only "religion", you know.

[quote name='Daquirii]-Abortion' date=' I see many of you are anti-abortion except in extream cases.[/quote']

Several of us (including myself) have stated that we are anti-abortion in all cases.

[quote name='Daquirii]Even if they ban it here' date=' if someone is determined enough, they will find some way around it. Isn't it safer for someone to take care of an unwanted pregnancy by consulting a doctor than consulting a wire hanger in their closet?(sorry for that, but, tis my opinion)[/quote']

It's not society's job to make [u]murder[/u] safe and easy.

[quote=Daquirii](on the cosmic scale our lives are but a grain of sand in  an unending hourglass: our lives are meaningless)[/quote]

So says you.....

[quote=Cholla]We are children of the universe no less the the stars & the trees .We have a right to be here.
While in that mode I'm a Christian & happy to be one.God will take care of things in His time .This end is already written in the Bible.[/quote]

QFT.  :)





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