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#1 Sparticus

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 07:34 PM

BOSTON, on Massachusetts (AP), said:

BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A U.S.-British team of researchers from academia and the aerospace industry believes the passenger aircraft of the distant future will not only be fuel efficient, but virtually silent.

Leaders of a long-range research venture called the "Silent Aircraft Initiative" were scheduled Monday to release a conceptual design for a plane they say could cut through the air with practically no sound bothering those below, thanks to its unique shape and design features to limit engine noise.

The design adds a new twist to aviation's long history of mixed success developing flying wings designed to be more fuel-and space-efficient than conventional aircraft with long, narrow fuselages.

The design, to be announced in a news conference at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London, would blend fuselage and wings together so that the entire airframe provides lift -- an approach that to date has been confined largely to payload-carrying military aircraft such as long-range bombers.

The body shape of the "silent aircraft" would allow for a slower landing approach and takeoff to cut airport noise -- a form of environmental pollution that makes it politically unpopular to expand airports and flight schedules.

"The 'silent aircraft' can help address this concern and thus aid in meeting the increasing passenger demand for air transport," said Edward Greitzer, and professor of aeronautics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Even if he's right, don't expect to see -- or hear -- such a plane anytime soon. The project is aimed at establishing research knowledge that could lead to development of an aircraft by 2030. And whether such a plane could become a commercial success is anybody's guess.

But the project, led by researchers at Cambridge, Massachusetts-based MIT and Cambridge University in England, has plenty of commercial interest so far. The two universities say more than 30 aviation companies from around the world participated in the design, including aircraft maker Boeing Co. and engine maker Rolls-Royce PLC.

Rolls-Royce wouldn't participate if the project didn't have potential to help shape future aircraft design, said Martin Brodie, a spokesman for the London-based company.

"We have a very strong record of involvement in environmental programs anyway, so this is just a logical thing for us to get involved in," Brodie said. "This is really a clear-blue-sky thing for the moment, and we'll have to wait to see what develops."

More than 40 researchers from MIT and Cambridge as well as engineers from the 30 companies have been collaborating on the design since the project's launch three years ago. Funding has come largely from the British government's Department of Trade and Industry, which committed money seven years ago to establish the Cambridge-MIT Institute, a joint venture between the schools that also has worked on other projects.

For now, the aviation project's goal is not to produce a marketable aircraft.

"The goal was to find out what technologies would be required, and what an aircraft would look like if a step-change in noise reduction was one of the key drivers for design," said Zoltan Spakovszky, an MIT aeronautics professor and a chief engineer on the project.

One aspect of the plane's sound-reducing design eliminates flaps -- hinged sections on the rear of each wing -- to reduce a major source of noise as the plane cuts through the air at takeoff and landing.

To reduce sound reaching the ground, the jet engines would be embedded into the plane's body, rather than hung from the wings as on conventional airliners. The engines would have variable-size jet nozzles, allowing slower jet propulsion during takeoff and landing but efficient cruising at higher speeds.

The proposed plane is designed to carry 215 passengers and achieve fuel efficiency of 124 passenger-miles per gallon.

By comparison, Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, a fuel-efficient airliner due for delivery in 2008, is expected to achieve 100 passenger-miles per gallon on a typical flight, Boeing spokesman Adam Morgan said.


Source: http://www.cnn.com/2...t.ap/index.html

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 08:51 PM

Looks kinda like it is expecting  :shock: A bit like a pengun maybe.
But it theoritically sounds solid.  :grin2:

So you might actually be able to work on the flight line with out plugs now  :?:

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 09:53 PM

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Looks kinda like it is expecting  :shock: A bit like a pengun maybe.
But it theoritically sounds solid.  :grin2:

So you might actually be able to work on the flight line with out plugs now  :?:

:haha: It does look somewhat like a penguin. It would be great wouldn't it?

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 10:19 PM

Hey, I used to work on the flight line. It does get noisy. It would be great. Just a little weird. And I don't think they do enough for fuel economy in the airline industry either.  Have you ever watched an L10-11 fire up  :?: Man they used to gas just about everybody anywhere near it. Real smokers. And Rolls Royce was their engines back then. TWA had a few.
Now once they warmed up they were OK.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 09:25 AM

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Hey, I used to work on the flight line. It does get noisy. It would be great. Just a little weird. And I don't think they do enough for fuel economy in the airline industry either.  Have you ever watched an L10-11 fire up  :?: Man they used to gas just about everybody anywhere near it. Real smokers. And Rolls Royce was their engines back then. TWA had a few.
Now once they warmed up they were OK.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:41 PM

maybe we should make silent buildings too......that way when this silent plane smacks into a silent building we will never hear it happen!!!

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 05:01 PM

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maybe we should make silent buildings too......that way when this silent plane smacks into a silent building we will never hear it happen!!!

How often does a plane fly into a building?

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 08:57 PM

Hey Lamer, will silent keep it off of a RADAR  :?:

Think a little before stating the sky is falling.  :2funny: :2funny:

That is what traffic control uses these days.  :wink:

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 03:51 AM

Hey tommie.....maybe you should think for a second... Radar sure as hell didnt stop two planes from hitting the world trade centers nor did traffic control ......and Sparticus last i heard some moran baseball player smacked his small plane into a building not to long ago...so it happens more than you think!!!

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 11:05 AM

I live in one of the flight paths of MacArthur airport, depending on the wind direction, and I would love silent planes.....




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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:54 PM

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Hey tommie.....maybe you should think for a second... Radar sure as hell didnt stop two planes from hitting the world trade centers nor did traffic control ......and Sparticus last i heard some moran baseball player smacked his small plane into a building not to long ago...so it happens more than you think!!!



2001-2006 two plane crashes into buildings in that time period that I know of. I seriously doubt we need silent buildings. Also how would that work?

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 06:33 PM

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maybe we should make silent buildings too......that way when this silent plane smacks into a silent building we will never hear it happen!!!
Rather than respond to your second reply, I think I will go back to your original post, and ask what does it really mean. You want rubber buildings? I am not really sure what it means. So what good would it do to have silent buildings  :?:
Just curious I guess.
I guess it would be funny to watch a plane bounce off of a building.  :cool:
Now that is not a bad idea.  :2funny:

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 06:53 PM

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Hey tommie.....maybe you should think for a second... Radar sure as hell didnt stop two planes from hitting the world trade centers nor did traffic control ......and Sparticus last i heard some moran baseball player smacked his small plane into a building not to long ago...so it happens more than you think!!!

He hit windshear, the flight controls proved it. An act of nature is hard to prevent.

http://www.nbc10.com...461/detail.html

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Federal investigators said a stiff wind caused the high-rise plane crash that killed former Phillies pitcher Cory Lidle.

The plane crashed into a New York City apartment building Oct. 11.

Lidle and his flying instructor were the only two on board. Both died.

The National Transportation Safety Board said wind, along with the pilot's inability to make a sharp turn, forced the plane away from its path over the East River and into the building.

Lidle transferred to the Yankees before the accident.

Investigators did not say if they determined who was piloting the plane.


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Posted 11 November 2006 - 12:54 PM

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maybe we should make silent buildings too......that way when this silent plane smacks into a silent building we will never hear it happen!!!


Call me crazy, but aren't buildings already silent?



I've never been walking down the street and stopped to think 'damn, I wish you buildings would just SHUT UP!'



Although I guess everything's loud when a plane flies into it.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 01:20 PM

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Call me crazy, but aren't buildings already silent?



I've never been walking down the street and stopped to think 'damn, I wish you buildings would just SHUT UP!'



Although I guess everything's loud when a plane flies into it.
Welcome to the forum HackNike  :wave: :welcome:
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Nice post. I like it, other than you beat me to that thought.  :tickedoff:
You have the makings for a great member here.  :grin2:
Keep up the good work. You have now gotten an "A+" and may go further in the forum. (kidding, just keep having fun)  :wink2:

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 04:56 PM

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Call me crazy, but aren't buildings already silent?



I've never been walking down the street and stopped to think 'damn, I wish you buildings would just SHUT UP!'



Although I guess everything's loud when a plane flies into it.

:2funny: :2funny: :haha: :haha: Welcome to the forum!





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