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Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:11 PM

From: http://www.cnn.com/2...pers/index.html

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Obama to form panel to explore presidential bid
POSTED: 1:43 p.m. EST, January 16, 2007
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Sen. Barack Obama said Tuesday he is taking a first step toward running for president next year.

"I will be filing papers today to create a presidential exploratory committee," the Illinois Democrat said, adding that he will announce his final decision February 10 from his hometown of Chicago.

He made the announcement in a video posted on his Web site -- www.barackobama.com.

"The decisions that have been made in Washington over the past six years and the problems that have been ignored have put our country in a precarious place," he said in the video.

In addition to citing "the tragic and costly war that should never have been waged," Obama mentioned health care, pensions, college tuition and "our continued dependence on oil" as issues that need work.

But he said it is the "smallness of our politics" that most bothers him.

"Today, our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, common-sense way. Politics has become so bitter and partisan and gummed up by money and influence that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions, and that's what we have to change."

Obama said his final decision will be made based on what he learns over the next several weeks as he travels the country "listening and learning about the challenges we face as a nation."

However, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said that the senator will not travel to the first four states on the Democrats' nomination calendar -- Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada or South Carolina -- before his announcement next month.

The Federal Election Commission confirmed that it received Obama's paperwork.

Forming an exploratory committee is an initial -- but not a required step -- in running for president or any federal office. Such committees allow potential candidates to begin quietly raising funds and "testing the waters" on whether they should run for office.

Funds raised in exploratory committees only need to be disclosed if potential candidates decide to run for office, at which point they must go back and disclose any "exploratory" money raised thus far.

If Obama runs, he will join an already crowded field of candidates who either have declared their intentions to seek the 2008 Democratic nomination or who are widely expected to run. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York is the perceived front-runner, but she has not officially declared her candidacy.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, the party's 2004 vice presidential nominee, declared his candidacy late last year, as did Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, a liberal critic of the war in Iraq, and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut also have said they will seek the nomination.

Other Democrats mentioned as possible candidates include the party's 2004 presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark; and the Rev. Al Sharpton.

According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll conducted on December 5-7, Obama trailed only Clinton when registered Democrats were asked who their top choice for the party's presidential nominee would be.

Clinton was the No. 1 pick for 37 percent of the Democrats polled, while Obama was the choice of 15 percent of those surveyed. Former Vice President Al Gore was the only other potential candidate who enjoyed double-digit numbers, with 14 percent.

Gore has said he does not plan to seek the 2008 nomination.

The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points.



and from his site: http://www.barackoba...cript/index.php

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A Message from Barack
As many of you know, over the last few months I have been thinking hard about my plans for 2008. Running for the presidency is a profound decision - a decision no one should make on the basis of media hype or personal ambition alone - and so before I committed myself and my family to this race, I wanted to be sure that this was right for us and, more importantly, right for the country.

I certainly didn't expect to find myself in this position a year ago. But as I've spoken to many of you in my travels across the states these past months; as I've read your emails and read your letters; I've been struck by how hungry we all are for a different kind of politics.

So I've spent some time thinking about how I could best advance the cause of change and progress that we so desperately need.

The decisions that have been made in Washington these past six years, and the problems that have been ignored, have put our country in a precarious place. Our economy is changing rapidly, and that means profound changes for working people. Many of you have shared with me your stories about skyrocketing health care bills, the pensions you've lost and your struggles to pay for college for your kids. Our continued dependence on oil has put our security and our very planet at risk. And we're still mired in a tragic and costly war that should have never been waged.

But challenging as they are, it's not the magnitude of our problems that concerns me the most. It's the smallness of our politics. America's faced big problems before. But today, our leaders in Washington seem incapable of working together in a practical, common sense way. Politics has become so bitter and partisan, so gummed up by money and influence, that we can't tackle the big problems that demand solutions.

And that's what we have to change first.

We have to change our politics, and come together around our common interests and concerns as Americans.

This won't happen by itself. A change in our politics can only come from you; from people across our country who believe there's a better way and are willing to work for it.

Years ago, as a community organizer in Chicago, I learned that meaningful change always begins at the grassroots, and that engaged citizens working together can accomplish extraordinary things.

So even in the midst of the enormous challenges we face today, I have great faith and hope about the future - because I believe in you.

And that's why I wanted to tell you first that I'll be filing papers today to create a presidential exploratory committee. For the next several weeks, I am going to talk with people from around the country, listening and learning more about the challenges we face as a nation, the opportunities that lie before us, and the role that a presidential campaign might play in bringing our country together. And on February 10th, at the end of these decisions and in my home state of Illinois, I'll share my plans with my friends, neighbors and fellow Americans.

In the meantime, I want to thank all of you for your time, your suggestions, your encouragement and your prayers. And I look forward to continuing our conversation in the weeks and months to come.

Sincerely,

U.S. Senator Barack Obama



I will say this, I don't necessarily agree with his stance on the military, but his views on today's government are refreshing, this will be interesting to watch pan out. I believe our country definitely needs change in leadership and in thinking. I'm not sure he's the one to do it, but I sure hope we get an honest chance to find out!

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 06:49 PM

If anyone saw the CBS Evening News, then you will have probably noticed that Obama made a fatal political mistake in his interview. He said, "baby boomers move over, it is time for the next generation to take reigns and get a fresh new outlook on politics." This is not a word for word quote, but it is extremely close to one. The mistake he made is that the baby boomers make up the majority of American voters. The next generation, which is my generation, the "Echo boomers" or "Generation Y" unfortunately don't vote nearly as much as the baby boomers do. That was a huge mistake, telling the people who will potentially elect him to "move over".

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:58 AM

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If anyone saw the CBS Evening News, then you will have probably noticed that Obama made a fatal political mistake in his interview. He said, "baby boomers move over, it is time for the next generation to take reigns and get a fresh new outlook on politics." This is not a word for word quote, but it is extremely close to one. The mistake he made is that the baby boomers make up the majority of American voters. The next generation, which is my generation, the "Echo boomers" or "Generation Y" unfortunately don't vote nearly as much as the baby boomers do. That was a huge mistake, telling the people who will potentially elect him to "move over".

spoken like a true blue political  realist :smile2:
I agree, besides he's going up against Hillary?  I believe the Dem party will chose Hilary. Although there will be many more in the weeks and months to come. Especially since , the party is recovering (or believe) they've recovered from a generational lull in power.  BTW I really don't think Hillary will win , it could be the downfall of full democratic power over the government,also that just may be the hook the rep , are looking for to keep there power in the whitehouse in 08':wink2:

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:53 AM

This next election may be the wildest in history.
The amount of dirt that will be dug up against Hussein [Barack Hussein Obama] and Hillery Rundown Clinton will file dump trucks.

One addmittedly did Coke and Weed, the other was involved in a [reported] questionable death of a [reported] business aquaintence.

I can smell the paper shredders now.

It seams fewer and fewer people vote every year and they are rushing to make all the illeagal people eligible to vote.

Every election we hear the same old line of:
We need change
We need new blood
We need a "New World Order".

After all is said and done we end up with the same old style Goverment, run by the same old [unseen] people.

Americans are complacent and "Don't want to get involved".

The first candidate with the most beleivable line of crapola will, as usual, get the job.

The average American has no real interest in how the Government runs as long as Monday Night Football is not preempted, the supply of Beer is not interupted and the tailgating parties go on as scheduled.
Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary, you gota be
kidding.

Wait till the KKK hears this one. They'll go out of their mind.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:16 PM

Hey, Waterslaw.  Racist AND sexist?  What a wonderful combination. 

Here's the deal, though.  Your degree from Hate U should have provided for some spelling lessons. 

addmittedly-try again.
seam.  This is the thicker sewn portion of a garment, such as that running down the inside of your jeans.  I can only assume you mean "seem."
acquaintence-nope.
illeagal-there should be a law
Goverment.  Hmmm.  Don't you have to be able to spell that to vote?
beleivable-oh, my kingdom for a spellcheck
interupted-should have been interrupted by one more r.

There are actually more, such as the arbitrary capitalization of coke and weed (are those brand names in your community?), but my point is made.  Whatever the problems of the candidates, they are out there, appearing on camera, under their very own REAL name.  It is far easier to sit here under an anonymous name and sling arrows and make sly digs about their color or gender, than to actually run a campaign.  I mean, they know people like you are out here, and they STILL want to run. 

THAT takes guts.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:54 PM

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Hey, Waterslaw.  Racist AND sexist?  What a wonderful combination. 

Here's the deal, though.  Your degree from Hate U should have provided for some spelling lessons. 

addmittedly-try again.
seam.  This is the thicker sewn portion of a garment, such as that running down the inside of your jeans.  I can only assume you mean "seem."
acquaintence-nope.
illeagal-there should be a law
Goverment.  Hmmm.  Don't you have to be able to spell that to vote?
beleivable-oh, my kingdom for a spellcheck
interupted-should have been interrupted by one more r.

There are actually more, such as the arbitrary capitalization of coke and weed (are those brand names in your community?), but my point is made.  Whatever the problems of the candidates, they are out there, appearing on camera, under their very own REAL name.  It is far easier to sit here under an anonymous name and sling arrows and make sly digs about their color or gender, than to actually run a campaign.  I mean, they know people like you are out here, and they STILL want to run. 

THAT takes guts.





*smiles*  (as an aside) I once thought I would never have the guts to run for public office. ( Fear of failure and embarassment and all that). As an adult I have actually stood up in small community and work events, and found I won a lot.

I would run for office myself, but I would hate for any and all past "dirt" to be brought up and have my family (possibly) embarrassed. That means I will merely vote, rather than serve.

Do you have a favorite candidate? I really would not like to see Hillary in office - but that's just me (and the reasons are personal - not the fact that she's female). I like Obama, I like some others, I can't wait to see this whole thing play out.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 06:01 PM

I am not a sexist, but I highly doubt the middle east will ever except anything said by a woman. Most of the world will not listen. I feel the US would take more than 2 terms to change those old idea's. Hilary was just as deep as Bill was in everything he was into. Except the BJ. As far as I know.  :huh:

So do we really need to hear what they hid in Arkansas again. Yes whitewater. Or how they shuffled SS money into the national debt pretending to pay part of it off. Only to shorten what retired folks are supposed to get. And everytime I turn around, how the funds just might not be there when I get retired. Of course they are not going to be there. People will not leave them alone. And abortion, and gay marriage. And then gays raising our future?? Yes Hillary is for all of the above. I did not forget!  :tickedoff:

White water was never resoved really. Or did I miss something.  :whaa:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 03:08 AM

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I am not a sexist, but I highly doubt the middle east will ever except anything said by a woman. Most of the world will not listen. I feel the US would take more than 2 terms to change those old idea's. Hilary was just as deep as Bill was in everything he was into. Except the BJ. As far as I know.  :huh:

So do we really need to hear what they hid in Arkansas again. Yes whitewater. Or how they shuffled SS money into the national debt pretending to pay part of it off. Only to shorten what retired folks are supposed to get. And everytime I turn around, how the funds just might not be there when I get retired. Of course they are not going to be there. People will not leave them alone. And abortion, and gay marriage. And then gays raising our future?? Yes Hillary is for all of the above. I did not forget!  :tickedoff:

White water was never resoved really. Or did I miss something.  :whaa:

I see a lot of large claims with no facts behind them... again.I think your attitudes have been pretty obvious in all your posts, so I don't need to go there. 

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Hilary was just as deep as Bill was in everything he was into.
You are really specific here. 'in everything' please expand upon the great conspiracies they were 'into'

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So do we really need to hear what they hid in Arkansas again. Yes whitewater.
What did they hide? I guess I do need to hear. There were so many 'crimes' committed by the Clintons that the 'independent counsel' in charge had to completely ignore them and shift the investigation to a false allegation of perjury in a completely unrelated frivolous lawsuit. After spending 90 Million dollars of taxpayer's money, that's what they came up with.   

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Or how they shuffled SS money into the national debt pretending to pay part of it off. Only to shorten what retired folks are supposed to get. And everytime I turn around, how the funds just might not be there when I get retired. Of course they are not going to be there.

It's funny how earmarking a surplus from a balanced budget to help pay for social security suddenly turns into 'shuffling SS money into the national debt'. If there's a shred of fact to this statement, I'd like to see it. This is a statement created from sheer fantasy. It is the very definition of 'empty rhetoric'.

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And abortion, and gay marriage.
"And abortion??" That isn't even a sentence. Did you mean to make some kind of point? If so, I must point out that Clinton offered, under NO uncertain terms to ban some types of abortions, as long as there was an exception in cases where the mother's life was at stake. Republicans chose to keep those abortions legal rather than compromise on a salient point.

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and gay marriage. And then gays raising our future??
What does this 'sentence' even mean?!?! What exactly is your objection to gay marriage? How are 'gays raising our future'?

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Yes Hillary is for all of the above. I did not forget!
I suppose it is easy to make the claim that Hillary is for all of the above, since you never even made it clear what 'all of the above' meant, much less give anyone a reason to believe that Hillary is 'for' it.

Words mean things. Call me what you like, but in seeking truth I make no apologies.

Having said that, I am unconvinced of Hillary's ability to be elected, and both her and Obama still have a lot to prove before deeming them worthy candidates. My favorite candidate is (Ex-General) Wesley Clark. I would support any ticket that included him. Unless some new Republican appears on the horizon I will vote for the Democratic nominee, since McCain sold out and so far as I know all other Republican candidates would be more of the same corrupt ineptitude that currently occupies the office.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 01:09 PM

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Having said that, I am unconvinced of Hillary's ability to be elected, and both her and Obama still have a lot to prove before deeming them worthy candidates. My favorite candidate is (Ex-General) Wesley Clark. I would support any ticket that included him. Unless some new Republican appears on the horizon I will vote for the Democratic nominee, since McCain sold out and so far as I know all other Republican candidates would be more of the same corrupt ineptitude that currently occupies the office.




  Easy p0ltergirst, be nice.
                                        We all have opinions, some are formed by our past experience , some by career, and others , well, honestly, by standing on the shoulders of others , that for some reason they believe every word of. What I do recognize in what is said here, is there seem to be a pattern. A pattern of fear, a pattern of contempt, and pain. Low and behold sir , you have finally spilled your true self upon the readers of these threads, it took me a while , but thank you for continuing to post your "feelings".
To explain, first off, when any one uses a blanket statement stating they "will vote for any democratic nominee". This tells us , one of two things, They have either been to collage, w/ no major (the breeding ground for extreme leftist views,ie. were all gonna die if right winged people have controll), or there life to them sucks , because everyone is out to get therm.  Well the second of the two, I can assure those folks, is not true.Deep down , we all know , rape is bad. We all know murder is bad. We also know abortion in most cases if for creature comfort, which is a sign of vanity.Which is bad.Embezzlement, fraud, any form of public or private manipulation is wrong.

To finish I will say this, I am prejudice ( as hell), Yep you got it!  Let it sink in. I am prejudice of folks who claim to be American, claim to care :sad3: , feel the need to allow generations of immoral , free cheese eating, help me now its your job to support me, tax slurpin, system abusing , slugs , and those who see fit to promote these actions. Those who go there whole life feeding off other peoples problems, making a career of it, indulging on the fact that there is always going to be poor, and needy, but  exploiting them for earmarks and political gain.
                     Thats not American , or good, thats pure and simple selfish greed.

  BTW , looks like you , p0ltergiest , have a very cool gamin rig :wink:

As far as the attack on others opinions, which BTW is getting very tiring, how do you expect anyone to value your opinion , if you can't bring it upon yourself to justify someone Else's as valid?

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:26 PM

I'd prefer to see Joe Biden myself, but please don't let John Edwards win any nomination or be picked as a running mate ever again.....

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:29 PM

Why did you dislike John Edwards ghostmaster? I felt he was the appealing part of the Edwards - Kerry combo myself.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:37 PM

p0ltergeist, since you prefer the flaming attitude of yours. Bite me.

I can not help it if your memory is so short that you personally need facts to remind you of what happened. I did not think it was necessary to give you a special tutored history lesson.

Now shut up.


John Edwards seems OK with me too water.  :grin2:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:43 PM

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p0ltergeist, since you prefer the flaming attitude of yours. Bite me.

I can not help it if your memory is so short that you personally need facts to remind you of what happened. I did not think it was necessary to give you a special tutored history lesson.

Now shut up.


John Edwards seems OK with me too water.  :grin2:

I think this post should be left alone, as it is true Please dont edit mods Just my silly input :wink2:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 04:54 PM

Alrighty, I locked this thread so no one (except other mods) could post in it until I am done posting.

Listen up people. I will leave this thread as is, because this is the news section, and I think the news topic itself is important.

I would suggest to everyone to go read the rules. Do it twice.

We as mods on this site do not care if you get along with each other, fight with each other, PM hate PMs to each other. What we do care about is that you don't S#!t in CA3LE's living room.

If you want to be part of this community, you need to pack your balls away and come out smiling. (Yes that goes for women too), we have balls, we just wear them really high.  :-P

NOW. In the future, you will respect this house and the membership family that lives here or you will leave. And don't think I'm not tough enough to show you the door myself.

There is enough hatred and fighting and stress and discord in the world we know today. We don't need it in the place we come to escape and to learn. You don't like that either? PM Shug, he can give you a list of sites where you can go beat up on cyber lifeforms all day and night long. While you are in CA3LE's house, enjoying the priviledge the rest of us enjoy, you will do it with respect and kindness.

There is no one here above anyone else, if you think that isn't true - I will tell you point blank it is NOT. We are all held to the same standard, and we will all behave accordingly.

Now, I am going to have a beer and a cigarrette. Then I am coming back in a calm mood. If you are upset by this post, then take a look at yourself, and if the shoe fits. Take it off and throw it away.

Now quit ruining my threads with fighting, I post some good S#!t, so talk about it. Don't fight about it. DAMNIT!

*thread re-opened*

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:04 PM

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John Edwards seems OK with me too water.  :grin2:

I liked him, he was the most honest of the candidates as I could tell. I don't know the man, and I wouldn't have voted for Kerry, but I do believe Edwards could stand on his own, and if not win, at least he could open our eyes to the type of president we could trust. *shrugs* but that's just me, I may be naive, I like to trust people that I think deserve trust.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:25 PM

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I liked him, he was the most honest of the candidates as I could tell. I don't know the man, and I wouldn't have voted for Kerry, but I do believe Edwards could stand on his own, and if not win, at least he could open our eyes to the type of president we could trust. *shrugs* but that's just me, I may be naive, I like to trust people that I think deserve trust.

I own pretty much the same opinion as you, where it would be nice if there were a candidate , that we could trust.And had the capability in Washington to make the changes necessary. Not just because we believe what they say, and are convincing, and have a good physical appeal. But someone who grasps us , as a person in which we all share the aspects of there beliefs. You know that person is out there. As far as Osama is concerned, There are many people in his district that have the same values, but I'm afraid he will most likely be beaten down by the "drive by media". and dirty politics.
We must remember , how much money will be put forth toward the Clinton administration(past and present).This means , big business, not excluding lobbyists ,all the way to female rights organizations.As,"We the people", our job is to see through all the negative propaganda and bashing, and elect an American , not a party. :wink2:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:25 PM

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Alrighty, I locked this thread so no one (except other mods) could post in it until I am done posting.

Listen up people. I will leave this thread as is, because this is the news section, and I think the news topic itself is important.

I would suggest to everyone to go read the rules. Do it twice.

We as mods on this site do not care if you get along with each other, fight with each other, PM hate PMs to each other. What we do care about is that you don't S#!t in CA3LE's living room.

If you want to be part of this community, you need to pack your balls away and come out smiling. (Yes that goes for women too), we have balls, we just wear them really high.  :-P

NOW. In the future, you will respect this house and the membership family that lives here or you will leave. And don't think I'm not tough enough to show you the door myself.

There is enough hatred and fighting and stress and discord in the world we know today. We don't need it in the place we come to escape and to learn. You don't like that either? PM Shug, he can give you a list of sites where you can go beat up on cyber lifeforms all day and night long. While you are in CA3LE's house, enjoying the priviledge the rest of us enjoy, you will do it with respect and kindness.

There is no one here above anyone else, if you think that isn't true - I will tell you point blank it is NOT. We are all held to the same standard, and we will all behave accordingly.

Now, I am going to have a beer and a cigarrette. Then I am coming back in a calm mood. If you are upset by this post, then take a look at yourself, and if the shoe fits. Take it off and throw it away.

Now quit ruining my threads with fighting, I post some good S#!t, so talk about it. Don't fight about it. DAMNIT!

*thread re-opened*

Nicely said :afro:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:30 PM

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I own pretty much the same opinion as you, where it would be nice if there were a candidate , that we could trust. Not just because we believe what they say, and are convincing, and have a good physical appeal. But someone who grasps us , as a person in which we all share the aspects of there beliefs. You know that person is out there. As far as Osama is concerned, There are many people in his district that have the same values, but I'm afraid he will most likely be beaten down by the "drive by media". and dirty politics.
We must remember , how much money will be put forth toward the Clinton administration(past and present).This means , big business, not excluding lobbyists ,all the way to female rights organizations.As,"We the people", our job is to see through all the negative propaganda and bashing, and elect an American , not a party. :wink2:

Now see, that's my opinion too - we should never elect a party - we need to elect the person who knows us and knows what we need.

It's Obama btw not Osama LOL.

But look back on our most loved presidents. I'm going to give you Reagan as an example. He was elected when I was a child and I started to pay attention to politics because of him. Was he the best? Nah! Was he the worst? Nope! But damnit, (even though he was an actor, he wasn't very good) he spoke to us. He knew us. He did some great things, some not so great things...

But we forget that the person we elect as president is a human being, with faults, and layers. I want to see a president who DID grow up in poverty (like Lincoln did) who cares about the repercussions of his actions (like FDR did) and who has passion (like Truman, believe it or not, did.).

I don't want a good looking cookie cutter president, I want a person who thinks, FOR me, I can't determine his actions, but I want someone who's character I can trust. The rest is smoke and mirrors and unimportant.

And thanks DV, I love you right back ! :smitten:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:39 PM

He truly reminds me of JFK. I watched him a bit on Jay Leno last night. But then again, you negver really know. But I would vote for him. If we don't get any decent independant party. So why not?  :thumbsup:

And every body knows I am not a democratic any more than I am a republican.  :wink:

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:52 PM

It's Obama btw not Osama LOL.

Sorry , I guess I was reffering to his First name , that is either his first or middle name right? :-|





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