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[inmate717]

Just found this out hope I did it right.
Yes or No do you feel that illegal immigrants are stealing from your way of life

[saygoodie]

i clicked on no, so disregard the plead the fifth

[tommie gorman]

OK, but I just made one for you as requested. 

http://www.testmy.ne...cseen#msg210816

Guess yours was up first.

What ever the mods want. 

[Roco]

Hi Guys, being an Alien , but not illeagl just yet * must sharpen the wire cutters and polish up the rowing boat *      I kinda get the feeling looking back on American History of just a hint of pot, kettle and black wanders through my mind,?
I guess this message has been rescinded

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore; Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[resopalrabotnick]

aside from disemboweling my cattle no aliens are stealing from me and i think you are talking about another kind of alien.

except for the relatively few that are of native american origin every american is descendant from an immigrant. (the issues of the slaves being involuntary immigrants being a whole other one)

if one were to look at this from afar it looks like a first come, first served mentality. the ones already "americanized" are now unwilling to share a slice of the cake with any newcomers. instead of taking steps to integrate them in a fashion that profits everybody they go and criminalize them.

i have to concur with roco. sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

[granpa]

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Notable postings from both of you. Just thinking here, I would have to know the starting date or is there retroactive time period. I don't think this just happened recently. 

[mudmanc4]

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aside from disemboweling my cattle no aliens are stealing from me and i think you are talking about another kind of alien.

except for the relatively few that are of native american origin every american is descendant from an immigrant. (the issues of the slaves being involuntary immigrants being a whole other one)

if one were to look at this from afar it looks like a first come, first served mentality. the ones already "americanized" are now unwilling to share a slice of the cake with any newcomers. instead of taking steps to integrate them in a fashion that profits everybody they go and criminalize them.

i have to concur with roco. sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

  Sorry, but I must debunk this off the bat. Americans don't care, who the hell comes here! The facts are most obviously evading you. USA, is now a commecialized country, and depends on the tax base to insure survival. Thats pretty much what it boils down to. These folks are taking soverenty, and the "big buisness " are the road . How do you expect me to pay my average yearly tax of 20,000 us dollars if the mexican workers are working for penuts, and taking the money back home to a poor corrupt country (worse than the US). How do I support other countries by purchaseing there trivial trinkets , therefore supporting there lifestly.
PLease tell me how this country will be of any use to anyone if this theft continues. It wont.

[resopalrabotnick]

if the US depends on its tax base, then make the immigrants legal. let them work and contribute to their host country. yes, they will still send some cash back to mexico or whatever, but they will also be spending in the US. as long as immigrants are illegal, they will work for substandard wages because ruthless employers will tell them that they will pay them less to balance the "risk" of hiring an illegal. they, being illegal, will of course not make waves with the unions. the other workers will hate them for the fact that they are taking jobs away by being cheaper to operate.

imo it is impossible to keep them out. so welcome them with open arms, integrate them and make america great in the eyes of the world again.

[Roco]

But surely criminalising them  won’t stop the flow in the least ,
So I don’t see what that achieves,  maybe importing more goods from
their homeland would give them more reason not to migrate , Ok a large pool of cheap labour does lower the pay rates locally , but that is the nature of a  commercialised country,
many American companies use other countries to manufacture goods because of the low labour rates prevailing, and if the cheap labour moves closer to them , they will employ the cheapest ,  that is a economic way of business life , and the company and it’s shareholders gain ,  and the economy profits from this,


I would like to add that I  lost my job to Mexico , The American company I worked for in the UK , found it was too costly to safely dispose of it’s chemical waste ,
and move to Mexico made economic sense, it could be  dumped it in a river there ,
I could see the logic in that , but not the ethics , a case of nimby’ ism  (not in my back yard ) but if the labour had been used in America with proper responsible control the
World would have gained , not just the USA,  IMHO

BTW,  the UK has now 20% + immigrant population ,  yes it has it’s problems , but our £ and economy is booming ,  so it can work , but it sure is getting crowded  , 

[Junerian]

[mudmanc4]

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if the US depends on its tax base, then make the immigrants legal. let them work and contribute to their host country. yes, they will still send some cash back to mexico or whatever, but they will also be spending in the US. as long as immigrants are illegal, they will work for substandard wages because ruthless employers will tell them that they will pay them less to balance the "risk" of hiring an illegal. they, being illegal, will of course not make waves with the unions. the other workers will hate them for the fact that they are taking jobs away by being cheaper to operate.

imo it is impossible to keep them out. so welcome them with open arms, integrate them and make america great in the eyes of the world again.

ok , so let me get this staight, as long as you legalize them ( btw there is a program , look it up), I should take a 90% + paycut to allow substandard work, and substandard pay. Right?

Just for your information, the unions are employing illegal workers as we speak.  Through loopholes and payoffs. Just recently, there was a routine traffic stop, and the two men were found to e w/o , any identification. As well as stated they were in this country illegally. They were working on the new college campus here . The company that hired them was found to be in an illegal "ring". This was swept under the rug quickly.

I have spoken to friends that are in the union, and they are instructed to keep there mouths shut , or lose there jobs in the union.

The corruption is deep. I have already stated that I dont care who you are , but I have paid , and will continue to pay my taxes. And these folks will not, therefore this can only disrupt the cash flow , and the trickle down effects can be seen now. It is by far , not the worst part of the open boarders. But they are basically , raping the land and your government is helping.

I agree, make them legal. There is always a way. 

[resopalrabotnick]

my point is that the ones that are legal won't be willing to do cut rate work

[tommie gorman]

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my point is that the ones that are legal won't be willing to do cut rate work

I personally don't want them doing cut rate work either. I hate that. One thing I told my subs who used mexicans was you had better not let me hear that you are paying them any less. I did not like un-English speaking workers in the first place (only once did it happen). The customers paid good money for the job, and deserved an answer whenever they ask one. [roofing] 

They are hard workers, not usually educated workers. That is usually what they are needed for. Like when I was young, they did not usually hire me for my brains. They wanted my back work. You pick the brain work up as you go along.

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...maybe importing more goods from
their homeland would give them more reason not to migrate,...


... but it sure is getting crowded  , 

For me importing from Mexico would be amuch better choice than the middle east in the first place.

One of my points exactly. I like my elbow room. *elbows Roco* 

Make them legal, better yet pay them to stay home. Fine by me. Just quit trespassing illegally. HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND "ILLEGAL"

Also like one president made a law. Learn "ENGLISH"within 5 years or go home! 

I still don't get other countries wanting us to baby sit them and make them feel any more special than my forefathers did. 

[paladin]

Wonder what folks will say when the good ole USA
can no longer afford to help support other countries
in the world as we do now.  If we have to support the
illegals here or those countries, I wonder what the
opinions will be then.

Roco:  The huddled masses you speak of are still
welcomed in the USA, but only thru legal channels
not anyone anytime.  Especially in these times that
we are in now.

[mudmanc4]

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my point is that the ones that are legal won't be willing to do cut rate work

    Could you please explain how you came to this conclusion ? Because I don't follow this theory in the slightest, but yet interested in how you got there

[resopalrabotnick]

if they are legal, they do not need to hide from the law or allow employers to underpay them because of their illegality. they will be able and imo willing to make use of all the mechanisms available to the average worker to receive fair pay. nobody likes to be underpaid right?

[mudmanc4]

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if they are legal, they do not need to hide from the law or allow employers to underpay them because of their illegality. they will be able and imo willing to make use of all the mechanisms available to the average worker to receive fair pay. nobody likes to be underpaid right?

ok, fair enough, how do you suggest we make them legal? Other than the means we have in place now. And why aren't they being utilized now?  See where I'm coming from?

[tommie gorman]

An other great point by paladin. If the illegals are getting in, and us just past the 9-11, what says what all is getting across the border? But I guess with not having too much stuff to blow up on the island for terrorists, it might not be your problem Reso.   

[mudmanc4]

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An other great point by paladin. If the illegals are getting in, and us just past the 9-11, what says what all is getting across the border? But I guess with not having too much stuff to blow up on the island for terrorists, it might not be your problem Reso.   

  Well said Tommie 

[wknight40]

They most definately are stealing from us.  We have a stated funded health care for children here.  We were just informed a couple weeks ago that they are no longer taking any new applications and if we miss a payment we will no longer be approved.  Reason is that there are too many illegals on the system that do not pay legal taxes to send money back into the system.  I have nothing against people immigrating to the USA.  I lived in two third world countries for a year and understand why peole want to come here.  While living in these two countrie and Germany I did my best to understand the languages so that I could communicate with the locals.  Those that are coming to the USA are not trying to learn the local language.  My wife is a legal imigrant from the Philippines and speaks fluent english.  We went to Atlanta a year ago to renew her immigration card and I could not believe the number of people that could not understand the immigration form even if those forms were in thier own native language.

I currently work in a service oriented industry where I have to vist the customer location for office repair work.  On more then one occasion I have had to leave the customer office without fixing the equipment because the workers there at that time could not speak english and I should not have to learn spanish to communicat in my own country.

A friend of mine was having a house built.  The construction company uses cheap immigrant labor.  Not sure if they are lega or not but the roof had to be remove twice because it was the wrong one according to the plans twice.  They are no longer having thier house built by that construction company.  Also if the labor is so damn chaep why am I still paying full price by the companies using the cheap labor.  Reason, it goes back into thier greedy pockets and not to the consumer.  The consumer continues to get charged a higher rate, a cheaper built house and the fat man gets fatter. 

Just like the government.  Speaking of which these politicians are afraid of losing the vote of the immigrant community.  Well most of the immigrants are illegal and cannot vote anyway so what are they losing.  Every legal immigrant that I have spoken to also feel that if you cannot get here legally and learn the local language go back home.  Afterall those immigrants that are here legally usually do have a higher intelligance and can speak the language and demand a higher pay.  Most, not all that are illegal can't do mauch more than manual labor or lay at home push uot babies to collect welfare for thier now legally born US citizen brat.