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[TheHalf™]

The reason I put in 'afar' is for our members and visiteurs to vote who live outside the United States

TheHalf™

[peepnklown]

Bush & his administration have mislead the American people into a illegal war, approved of illegal wiretapping and torture, use of ‘signing statements’ to disobey laws he disagrees with, and has broken international law.
If impeachment is not on the table we as America might as well throw impeachment out the window because, it will not hold any meaning.
‘The Case for Impeachment’ by Lindorff, U.S. v. Bush by Holtzman, and ‘The Impeachment of George W. Bush’ by Vega all make compelling arguments.
The Bush administration has served to destroy the constitutional republic the quickest way possible.

[JokeyMcScrotsack]

I moved this public polls but if it goes the route I think it will, it will end up in off topic and locked very fast. Keep it civil guys. Consider this a warning.

With that out of the way I voted "Not Concerned" due to the fact no politician serves us anymore, Repub or Dem they are all the same corrupt pieces of shit.

[mudmanc4]

  No matter what, there will always be the bandwagon, and the people who follow instead of lead.

Everyone , I mean everyone , wanted this war, or does no-one remember? The shortness of memory is exaggerated by media driven by political rhetoric , and lobbyists.

Cast down who you will, but remember , you may be judged in the same fashion some day.

It's not an illegal war, by any means, that is simple misguided mass persuasion propaganda. Said enough to where many believe it. Think about it, the house and the senate gave there backing, and when it became politically inconvenient , and the American people voted for Bush the second term, the leftist elitists , joined w/ the likes of  Soros , and other real economic controllers, they have convinced many by means of twisting the truth, making us argue over values that this country has kept at heart for a couple hundred years. Until they have nearly , completely command controll over many weak minds . Fact!

Don't care for the reality of it? Keep doing what your doing , and your children will pay dearly, or are many of us to smug to realize there is life past our faces?



BTW, it's much easier to be a follower, than a leader. Ever tried it?

[dlewis23]

I'll put it simple, he fucked up.... Everybody did over the last 7 years.

[staghorn]

mudmanc4  I wanted WMD's found if Iraq had them.I think we shouild have most of the other nations behind the US in doing this.The UN approval more or less.If the US didn't have this support then we should have giveb the UN the boot out of the USA.To whereever they could find a new country that wanted them.Also we should have suspended trade with all countries that didn't support the search for WMD's in Iraq.When we found none the US should have left Iraq.
Our purpose was not to develop a democracy in Iraq .This is not what Congress gave it's approval for.
Our policy in the past has been to let the people of other countries govern themselves.Their own" creed"  not the USA's.If the people of those countries don't like their government ;et them fight & die if necessary until it changes.If all the people that want it changed die then the majority must have wanted  their government to stay as it was.
A lot of blood was spilled & lives lost to establish the USA.That's why people from other countries want to immigrate here .The fighting has already been done.Our government has became corrupt in many ways but I think we can change this without "A New Revolution". We might have to use some vigalante justice & hang some politicians to show the rest "We the People " want a non corrupt government.
I think Bush fixed his first election in Florida when he wasn't even President.He was able to do a better job of fixing the second election so he didn't get caught.So "dictator" Bush has had two terms. I waiting to see if he steps down when the next election comes.
Former President Jimmy Carter
“I think as far as the adverse impact on the nation around the world, this administration has been the worst in history,”
“The overt reversal of America's basic values as expressed by previous administrations, including those of George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon and others, has been the most disturbing to me.”
“We now have endorsed the concept of pre-emptive war where we go to war with another nation militarily, even though our own security is not directly threatened, if we want to change the regime there or if we fear that some time in the future our security might be endangered,” he said. “But that's been a radical departure from all previous administration policies.”
Carter also lashed out Saturday at British prime minister Tony Blair. Asked how he would judge Blair's support of Bush, the former president said: "Abominable. Loyal. Blind. Apparently subservient."

"And I think the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major tragedy for the world," Carter told British Broadcasting Corp. radio.
On a lighter note a spoof article:
The White House security detail went to high alert status yesterday when they could not find President George W. Bush. After twenty minutes of diligently searching under beds, in closets, and under tables (his favorite places to hide in games of hide and seek with the staff), the was found outside on the grounds.

Dubya was standing on a ladder and using a hammer and crowbar to remove Amy Carter's treehouse from a stately oak tree.

The treehouse, long one of the President's favorite places to play and have teddy bear picnics, was being dismantled due to comments made by the former President to an Arkansas newspaper. "He said mean stuff about me, so I'm wreckin' his legacy," said the President.

"He wasn't perfect and wasn't even reelected like I was! How can I be the worst if they gave me four more years?"

I don't like Jimmy Carter and I'm not going to be his friend any more!"

At this point, Bush got a splinter in his finger and had to be taken inside. In a White House bathroom, a nurse removed the splinter and bandaged the booboo with a Snoopy band-aid. Laura was then brought from the first ladies office to kiss it better.

[tommie gorman]

Yes we should have above all had the UN support.

Yes there will be conspiracy crap with every war. Name one within the last 20years that did not recieve citizen's screaming enough before it was over. That lasted at least a year. We always start whimpering before it is over.

And just because the WMD's were not found still does not say they were not there. Hell we are still looking for soldier bodies that are at presently missing.

Everybody voted it in on the same info. But of course with public outcry the Democrats are sure to run this in the ground for a reason to get elected. And of course they will take the office back! Which is all they really want in the first place.

So back to abortion, gay marriage, stealing and missusing federal funds huh? 

American's are sheep.

We should have simply made a large airstrip for our military out of Iraq in the first place. 

[disturbed]

the only source of politics in my life is the daily show on comedy central they seem to catch all the important stuff lol

[staghorn]

Just some food for thought .The USA has been involved in war or "police action" since WW2 .At least the USA has not had a period of 10 years not in a war since WW2. I see something wrong with that.

[JokeyMcScrotsack]

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I'll put it simple, he fucked up.... Everybody did over the last 7 years.

That pretty much sums it up IMO. He was doing alright for a while there. 

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Just some food for thought .The USA has been involved in war or "police action" since WW2 .At least the USA has not had a period of 10 years not in a war since WW2. I see something wrong with that.

Something BAD wrong. I say bring our guys home, use the money on REAL defense systems for our soil and let the rest of the world worry about their own problems. I mean that does seem to be what everyone but the US wants. Oh and I mean no hand out either. We should be in Africa right now, helping people that need it and want it.

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the only source of politics in my life is the daily show on comedy central they seem to catch all the important stuff lol

Me too. 

[clayjjojo]

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That pretty much sums it up IMO. He was doing alright for a while there. 
Something BAD wrong. I say bring our guys home, use the money on REAL defense systems for our soil and let the rest of the world worry about their own problems. I mean that does seem to be what everyone but the US wants. Oh and I mean no hand out either. We should be in Africa right now, helping people that need it and want it.
Me too. 

help the people that want it and leave the rest

[Siryak]

Meh politics makes me want to do like an ostrich and stick my head in the dirt.

[JokeyMcScrotsack]

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help the people that want it and leave the rest

Im with that.

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Meh politics makes me want to do like an ostrich and stick my head in the dirt.

Im with that too. 

[staghorn]

Here is a list of the military action we have been in since WW2.I don't think it's complete but enough anyway.
Korean War 1950-53
Lebanon crisis of 1958 Marines stayed from July 15, 1958 until October 25, 1958.
Bay of Pigs Invasion 1961 was a CIA-planned and funded
Dominican Intervention On April 28, 1965, 400 Marines were landed in Santo Domingo to evacuate the American Embassy and foreign nationals after dissident Dominican armed forces attempted to overthrow the ruling civilian junta.
Vietnam War The Vietnam War was a war fought between 1957 and 1975
Tehran hostage rescue  Operation Eagle Claw attempted to rescue the hostages using a combination of special forces and helicopter evacuation. Operational problems forced commanders to abort the mission, and 8 servicemen were killed in a helicopter accident in the Iranian desert.
Grenada US Marines landed in August 1982 along with Italian and French forces.withdrawal of the Marines in February 1984
Panama On December 20, 1989 the United States invaded Panama,
Gulf War January 1991 Navy ships bombed Iraqi intelligence facilities with cruise missiles in June 1993.
Somalia beginning in 1992. By 1993 the US troops were augmented with Rangers and special forces .
Yugoslavia
During the war in Yugoslavia in the early 1990's, the US operated in Bosnia. The USA was one of the NATO member countries who bombed Yugoslavia between March 24th and June 9th 1999 during the Kosovo War
Afghanistan On October 7, 2001, US Armed Forces "began combat action in Afghanistan against Al Qaida terrorists and their Taliban supporters.
Philippines In January 2002, the US sent more than 1,200 troops to assist the Armed Forces of the Philippines in combating terrorist groups linked to al-Qaida,
Iraq 2003 till present

[tommie gorman]

Which proves it is not just George B. And we got provoked in the first place this time.

Yes we need to stay the fuck out of everybody elses business. Like before WW2. 

[mudmanc4]

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Which proves it is not just George B. And we got provoked in the first place this time.

  Now this sums it up for me.   

[clayjjojo]

Bush SUCK'S

[Conuck]

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Bush SUCK'S

Donkey Turds

[Le_Murphant]

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Donkey Turds

Not sure what that meant, but assuming that it is an insult I do agree that the comment was quite dumb. He could at least have said: I disagree with the Bush administration's politics in general (as I do).

I won't comment every post that I would like to, because I have to go work soon. Might be back later.

About the fact that the US has been at war pretty much constantly:
I think that we should not say that this is a bad thing, although it does point out that the US is quite a militarized nation. I do think that there are many places on the planet that deserve international attention and that would need military action if diplomacy fails, although I always genuinely prefer diplomacy over military action. One example of these places is the Darfur region in Sudan, a situation where no one gives a S#!t because there are no economical interests there for anyone nor is it a threat to the US. I think that military actions in which the US has participated in the past have been too much self-interested. For example, everyone agrees that the US turned the tide during WW2, which was a good thing. What I find reprehensible is that they did so only after they were attacked at Pearl Harbor. I feel like it is the same for Iraq, the US attacked when the country became a "potential" threat to its security. I would also note that Iraq has quite a bit of oil, which is now mysteriously exploited by american industries. So overall, I think that wars should only be led for humanitarian purposes and not for personal interests. Concerning the Iraq war, I cannot deny that some Iraqis are better off than they were, but I am not certain that a majority is in this situation.

I'd discuss interior policy but I haven't kept myself very much informed on that in the last years, so I won't comment.

I'd write more on the other posts, but I really have to go to work. Keep the discussion up and keep it civil.

[JH2688]

Bush started off ok. but then he just been sucking it up lately. Only if we went into iraq and got the job done fast. Bush had a chance to become one of the better ones but iraq screwed it.