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[Dude111]

Im not trying to start a flame,i am just curious as to wheather the actions from the church,etc have affected your views on things..

[Dark06]

I consider myself to be part of the new age movement

But im also the Web Master of a christian church

even if im not christian . I tell them that but they still want to keep me around hoping eventually i come to my senses.

My sister is a devoted Wican
and my Bro is Christian

Yeah we are a messed up family

[Conuck]

I'm not an atheist! I do not believe in formal religion either. 

[tommie gorman]

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Im not trying to start a flame,i am just curious as to wheather the actions from the church,etc have affected your views on things..

Only in positive ways. 

[philp]

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I'm not an atheist! I do not believe in formal religion either. 

I agree. I don't understand the falseness of dressing up one day a week and trying to be something you're not the other 6 days.

[mudmanc4]

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I agree. I don't understand the falseness of dressing up one day a week and trying to be something you're not the other 6 days.

Agreed, and Sunday wasn't even the original Sabbath.

[Sequoia]

I would hope the actions of a Christian church of any denomination would affect peoples views in a positive way.

Now for the sabbath.Christians are under no command to observe the sabbath.The sabbath is under the law of Moses or the old testament.The covenant between God & Christians is the new testament we are no longer under the law.
The reason we use the old testament is it is part of our history & tells us many things about God including the coming of the Messiah .
Second since we don't use the Hebrew calendar there might be some difference.I know days are added to adjust it .
Like the Gregorian calendar adjusts with leap year.

[tommie gorman]

Jesus did also refer to some important parts he still wanted used in the old testament.. Like the 10 commandments. 

[Sequoia]

I agree with you tommie gorman but Christians obey these by choice not because we are under the law .
If they are a requirement then salvation comes from our works instead of our faith.
Jesus came to fulfill the law so he was under the law until his death.
Once he shed his blood the new covenant was created.
So now beleivers have salvation through faith or grace whichever you prefer.
Our sins being covered by the blood of Jesus.
I hope this doesn't get me in trouble but it is pretty basic doctrine for most Christian churches.
So not just my interpretation.

[tdawnaz]

not an atheist and also don't believe in all the rules of churches all made by self righteous men and women for their own profit...my God and Goddess don't care what i'm wearing when i get on my knees...or what day of the week it is...or even if i've read and believe in a certain book that was also written by man...they only care that i know that they r supreme

[fred]

Hello Guy's not trying to start a  flame either, how ever at the risk of sounding anti religion. has anyone gave the Seventh Day Adventist any consideration? Now there is a religion that interperts the bible, and church in a somewhat different view from other religions (IE) celebrate the sabbath on Saturday (the seventh day on the calender, hence Seventh Day Adventist), they fast from Friday evening at sundown to Sunday a.m. and it goes on and on being different and they probally think that this religion is the only way to interpert the bibles teachings and I feel pretty sure they would have differences of opinion about atheism all being against it. What I'm trying to elude to is that we all have an opinion and try not to act ignorant about another person beliefs while there is the bunch out there that would give you Hell about your beliefs. 

[rjventre]

As far as I am concerned, there is only one church, the one started by God Himself. As Christ said to St. Peter, "You are the rock upon which I will build My church." Of course I am referring to the Catholic Church (both Roman and Eastern Orthodox),under the guidance of the 265th successor of St. Peter, Pope Benedict XVI. All protestant religions were started by men and are therefore not a real church.

[Sequoia]

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As far as I am concerned, there is only one church, the one started by God Himself. As Christ said to St. Peter, "You are the rock upon which I will build My church." Of course I am referring to the Catholic Church (both Roman and Eastern Orthodox),under the guidance of the 265th successor of St. Peter, Pope Benedict XVI. All protestant religions were started by men and are therefore not a real church.

Most Protestants  do not believe Peter was  the "rock" but that the "rock" is Jesus and faith in Jesus.To get this you need more verses from the same chapter.
Matthew 16
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
"rock" refers back to Peter's answer in verse 16 and the spiritual revelation by faith to Peter in verse 17.
Further in the Bible there is no word "Pope" ever used or the word Catholic.The Catholic church likes to claim they came from the first churches of Christians.They are probably the first to give an official name to their denomination.
Really the Catholics have no greater claim than any of the Protestant denominations,
One might even sat the first church denominations were named Galatians,Ephesians,Corinthians or one of the other churchs listed in the books of the Bible by letters written to them by different apostles.
So as far as I'm concerned Catholics are just one of the Christian denominations with neither greater nor lesser status before God.

[rjventre]

First of all, Catholics do not even use the same Bible as protestants and second of all, The protestant religions are a crock.

Please refrain from discriminating, name calling,  you could say something like  " I don't believe that is true " , or you could say something like, I wasn't taught that  " .   Because there are so many beliefs in this world, we must keep our minds open to not only opinion, but different upbringing as well.  95% of the population believes in a higher power, we have to realize that we can't all possibly believe the same thing.

I wont change your comment this time, but there wont be a next. You are intelligent, please use your digression when wording your opinions.
                                                                   Thank you 

[tommie gorman]

I have to admit after all these years rjventre, you are showing me why all the religions I have studied under stay clear of the catholic religion. And yes my granddad was a heavy catholic. The religions that feel theirs is the only way are so hypocritical. I choose no religion in particular. As religions are merely brands like Kool or Winston are to cigarettes. Although they do provide some good teachings and backgrounds.

To me Jesus is the answer, not religions. "that whosoever believeth in me shall have forever lasting life". And that is it in a nutshell. the truth never has to be shoved. It just is. And it is that simple with most all the other religions. And you left out Jesus' real religion. It was Judism. None of the rest. 

[ianonline]

I'm a Roman Catholic... and it does not hinder me from doing what i want.

Religion is here to remind us and guide us and not dictate us... If you belong to a "religion" that says You can wear this and you cant wear that. and threatening you that if you do this something bad will happen to you like a lightning strike perhaps then it's not right.. a Religion demanding for a specific amount  of money, such as a fix percentage on your total family income... and stuff like that then it's not right...

I respect all Religion in fact I got friends who are of other religion, i also have friends who are non believer, as long as you respect BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS... then i think there won't be any problem...

Respect comes by instinct, so with or without religion you already know what is right and what is wrong...

[tdawnaz]

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The religions that feel theirs is the only way are so hypocritical. I choose no religion in particular. As religions are merely brands like Kool or Winston are to cigarettes. Although they do provide some good teachings and backgrounds.

To me Jesus is the answer, not religions. "that whosoever believeth in me shall have forever lasting life". And that is it in a nutshell. the truth never has to be shoved. It just is. And it is that simple with most all the other religions. And you left out Jesus' real religion. It was Judism. None of the rest. 

tommie that is it...i agree 100% as far as jesus being a jew...people forget that...and so it only stands to reason that the virgin mary and joseph were jews as well...really means nothing...there wasn't alot of choice back then...u were what your mother and father were...just whe way it was...jesus had the inside info from his father so he spread the word...that's what he was here for...to show us the way then die for us

[ghostmaster]

Yeah my mom pays that damn 10% tithe every month.  She can barely afford gas, and that church is enormous.

[Sequoia]

tommie gorman ;Yes Jesus was a Jew by race & his religion was Judism .This was because he came to fulfil the law.
But you have to admit Jesus taught a lot different than the laws of Judism & was here to make a new covenant with mankind.If this wasn't so then we would all still need to follow the law of Moses & our religion would need to be Judism to be in Gods favor.
We know this isn't the case because the religion Jesus started is Christianity.

I really don't want to get into a Catholic verses Protestant argument.I know the Catholics use a version of the Bible called Douay & a Latin one called the Vulgate.Please correct me if this is wrong.The names of the books vary some .
Still these were translated from the same Hebrew & Greek texts so they are similar to the Protestant translations.
The King James is probably still the most used of the Protestant translations but there are many .All differ some because translators use synonyms & these can change meaning to a degree.Still read as a whole all are more the same than different.
I bet the majority of Catholics can't read the Latin Vulgate & understand it.
I took a year of Latin in high school & I sure can't.It did help my English a lot though.

[tommie gorman]

I agree, was merely stating that he was not catholic anymore than the other religions. He was none for real. He taught love. The jews missed that boat also. But thats another story which I believe you can find in the last chapter of Matthew. Where the guards were paid to say he did not rise yet and his body was stolen. And why they are still waiting on him to arrive. And why the antichrist is to arrive. To fulfill it all.