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[Sequoia]

tommie gorman ;I think we are just pitching the ball back & forth so to speak but on the same page.
I kind of posted this in a previous post but when Jesus was on the Earth as a man there were no denominations yet.
No church called Catholic or Methodist for a protestant example.Certainly no man with the title of Pope.
I don't know where you stand on this but I plan to either be dead (at least in the flesh) or raptured before the antichrist comes.

[Roco]

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I'm a Roman Catholic... and it does not hinder me from doing what i want.

Religion is here to remind us and guide us and not dictate us... If you belong to a "religion" that says You can wear this and you cant wear that. and threatening you that if you do this something bad will happen to you like a lightning strike perhaps then it's not right.. a Religion demanding for a specific amount  of money, such as a fix percentage on your total family income... and stuff like that then it's not right...

I respect all Religion in fact I got friends who are of other religion, i also have friends who are non believer, as long as you respect BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS... then i think there won't be any problem...

Respect comes by instinct, so with or without religion you already know what is right and what is wrong...

Hi ianonline  have you not faced the worlds overcrowding , and thought   about contraception ? 
personally I have no problem with religion of any brand , but I truly don't see it's revelence in todays world , It just inspires religious hate of your brother man , Imho ,
so where is the proof of a after death better world of peace and harmony ? ,
does 3 hail Marie's absolve you from mortal sin ? 
just curious on that , ,
and for the Muslims . apart from a scrap of paper ,what   gives you right to kill the infidel
does this all,make sense in the 21 century , I think not ,
I voted  "No bad experiences"  and that for me is true , but I ain't a atheist , (one that denies there is a god) I have a open mind , but I guess I need a bit more  visual proof  , 

[ianonline]

it remains to be found out.. so just chill..

as what i have said on my previous post (other thread), i believe in God not because I saw Him.. but I was able to experience Him.

God is Love, you don't see Love, instead you experience love. Plain and simple..

[Roco]

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it remains to be found out.. so just chill..

as what i have said on my previous post (other thread), i believe in God not because I saw Him.. but I was able to experience Him.

God is Love, you don't see Love, instead you experience love. Plain and simple..

ianonline , no disrespect  intended , but mankind has been chilling out for 2008 years and filling in the time blowning inocent children from limb for limb ,
so any update on the time of change ? apart from someday soon  ,

[ianonline]

 
May God Have Mercy on You

[Roco]

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May God Have Mercy on You

yeah me to  , I have no fight with Christians , I just wish we all could get our heads together and sort this world out , maybe we should forget our differences . and start again , ?

[mudmanc4]

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yeah me to  , I have no fight with Christians , I just wish we all could get our heads together and sort this world out , maybe we should forget our differences . and start again , ?

Our chance is now, thats the only one we have. It will never come again.

[tommie gorman]

Ditto on most all of that. Except by personal experience do I believe more than some. But no proof except I was there. Miracles are not always big and widespread. Some are personal, and the owner sometimes has to look right to even notice it really. the one I remember best was physical and personal.

And yes kill thine enemy is also got me puzzled. thats just not necessary. And so we do need that other option for the pagans. Which as I read was what the Romans actualloy called their beliefs ? Or maybe I read it wrong.

[tdawnaz]

it's where the roman catholic church set it's foundation...pagan ritual...

go ahead break out the flames...but it's true...evident still today...hey but it had to start somewhere...

[Sequoia]

I'm noticing Catholics don't like being put together with the rest of us Christians as just another denomination.
If all of us Christians agreed on our interpretation of the Bible their would be only one denomination.Most of the time there are even differences in interpretation in the same church;much less the same denomination.& so on.
To me if you tell me you believe in God ,Jesus & the Holy Spirit then I will accept that you are a Christian & let God be the judge .If your actions do not reflect that I might call you on it.But in the end it won't be me doing the judging & where I don't know all the facts God does.

I did make an error so before a Catholic corrects me.The Latin Vulgate was translated from Hebrew & Greek texts as I posted but the Douay Bible was translated from the Latin Vulgate.The reason I made the distinction Latin Vulgate is there have also been later translations of the Vulgate.

[MttFrog13]

i have a friend who is doubting his religion because the pastor at his church engaged in inappropriate actions with a little girl at the church.

[mudmanc4]

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i have a friend who is doubting his religion because the pastor at his church engaged in inappropriate actions with a little girl at the church.

It's a issue that should be taken care of in a way that makes any other person who thinks of doing this to shiver at the thought of it.

[tommie gorman]

He should have less faith in his pastor and more in his beliefs. They are indeed just people in the end. Yes went through something similar years back. And that is it in a nutshell. And the pastor will at least be asked to resign and leave.

But I agree with muddy enough is not done to them for their crimes. 

[Sequoia]

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i have a friend who is doubting his religion because the pastor at his church engaged in inappropriate actions with a little girl at the church.

Pedophiles like this person train & get jobs like pastor,teacher,day care worker,etc so they can be around children in a trusted position.This way they are not watched as closely.
This person called himself a pastor when he was really a wolf in sheep's clothing.
So your friend shouldn't blame his church or religion for a pedophile that fooled them.
That would be like not sending your kids to school because some teachers have been pedophiles.The vast majority are not & that's the same for pastors.
Many times the law lets us down because for some reason prosecutors,judges, & even juries let teachers,pastors & priests off with lighter sentences .The crime is usually bumped down to a lesser offense.Recent cases with female teachers certainly show this.
In the case of this "pastor" have the parents of the child done everything the can to see that he is prosecuted ?
Has this church removed him from being pastor & did everything they can to see that he is prosecuted ?
I do assume this "pastor" is a male so I used he.
Finally has your friend done everything he can to see this crime gets prosecuted?

[ianonline]

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That would be like not sending your kids to school because some teachers have been pedophiles.The vast majority are not & that's the same for pastors.

i agree! sometimes we tend to generalize people. i condemn those people who commit such action, and i have nothing against sending them to court for due trial. But to extrapolate the issue and accuse the non doers the same thing is totally wrong...

[tommie gorman]

Some religions also do little so it can be swept under the rug too. If they were taken care of more publicly i believe the general public would have a greater trust in those that would take care of their own. But it just does not happen much. Too much corruption involved in my opinion. Again, politics. 

[ianonline]

yeah politics... i think it's also proper to include money... Lawyers (not all) actually encourage the affected party to be very very very vocal (to the extent of exaggeration) about it with a motivation that they can get big sum of money from the defendant if proved guilty.

the case is no longer about justice but instead money making...  not all, but it happens 

[tommie gorman]

In the US it is almost always about money. And a growing infection across the globe. Feelings now are no longer priceless. 

[ianonline]

sad but true... things are being presented to be moral topics but then there's a hidden agenda behind it..

[Sequoia]

It should be first the parents responsibility to report it to the law & keep it up till the prosecutor is willing to prosecute.
That takes church politics out of it.Unless they have influence over the prosecutor.If that is the case the prosecutor is supposed to recuse himself & one that isn't biased is supposed to take over.
Refusing to prosecute because it is against a pastor because of influence by that religion is no different than refusing to prosecute because the crime was against a person of a different race.
Next the church members should be so outraged that the pastor would be glad to go to jail .Lest he get stoned to death by the congregation.A little old testament justice.
The denominations national organization should see it's prosecuted.
Then public in general should insist if they know about the crime.
So no excuses for this pastor not being prosecuted.