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[zalternate]

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[Roco]

swine flu
" the emergence of H5N1 is thought to have increased the risk of another flu pandemic significantly - it has already demonstrated it can affect people and cause severe disease, it has a documented ability to mutate, and, if more people are affected over time, a "mixing" between human and avian influenza could take place.
past pandemics
Spanish Flu 1918 , 30 million died
Asian Flu     1957    I.5million died
Hong Kong Flu 1968  3 million died
Sars 2002 spread worldwide before it was contained in 2003,
1 in 10 with Sars died

today
"the emergence of H5N1 is thought to have increased the risk of another flu pandemic significantly - it has already demonstrated it can affect people and cause severe disease, it has a documented ability to mutate, and, if more people are affected over time, a "mixing" between human and avian influenza could take place., "

WHO
Influenza pandemic alert raised to phase 6
11 June 2009 -- On the basis of available evidence and expert assessments of the evidence, the scientific criteria for an influenza pandemic have been met. The Director-General of WHO has therefore decided to raise the level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 5 to phase 6. "The world is now at the start of the 2009 influenza pandemic," she said at a press conference today.

sorry if my post of the 10th was a bit premature , but being a news anchor  with contacts in Europe I was just posting on the phases 6 info 12 Hours  early , I guess I wont bother again ,

at the moment the death rate is around10 % , but that depends where you live ,
it has one oddity , it mainly affects the 20-45 age group , unlike most flu infections that kill  the very  young and elderly ,

I see there is some knocking of the WHO ,well sure you don't see them in you back yard, but if you ever unlock the gate and travel , you will understand why your arm gets filled with
vaccinations,  alongside the Red Cross/Red Crescent (Muslim)  they do great work world wide , it is not an American Org either , it is funded by subscription from civilized nations , 
and based in Switzerland
BTW , I ain' having a GO at anybody ,
but the Arab world contribute more to world aid than America and Europe  combined ,it come out of thier oil revenue, so in a way you are promoting the Muslim faith with every gallon used ,

P.S anyone with a few $$ spare I  can recommend Médecins Sans Frontières , these guys really do the Biz ,
http://www.msf.org.u...CFaYA4wodJlpVsg

[mudmanc4]

Nice post Roco.  Ten percent , really ? Is that a world wide average, or concentrated within a certain country.

[Roco]

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Nice post Roco.  Ten percent , really ? Is that a world wide average, or concentrated within a certain country.

thats the world average ,  sure I  guess in the west it's around 1%,
but it is open to mutation ,  a virus is just like a human it don't want to die , it will twist and turn to survive ,
thats why it is so important to take the full course of meds , maybe you feel better and stop taking the medication , the virus may be dizzy  but still surviving and learning to adapt , the next infected person that you pass it onto . has a whole new problem . and the reason why doses are getting higher and higher ,
viruses are now becoming immune to normal  treatments  for that reason,

Hey I ain't an expert in this field , I  spent 11 years in medical reseach , as a tech engineer , just a nuts and bolts spanner guy, but I spent a lot of time looking over the shoulder of Doctors and Microbiologists
, well it was kinda self preservation , if something went wrong with the trials elec/Mech is was me that went into the sealed room ,and possibly took it home ,
BTW my employer at that time , http://www.vgdusa.com/DIFCO.htm  Detroit  USA ,

[zalternate]

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sorry if my post of the 10th was a bit premature , but being a news anchor  with contacts in Europe I was just posting on the phases 6 info 12 Hours  early , I guess I wont bother again ,

Well you chaps do tend to get out of bed awfully early over there.  

I just remember back when the Iraq war #1(Gulf War) was on and a guy at work had to have the radio on and it was "this possibly happened" and " that probably happened". I tend to prefer something fully confirmed into print.   Oh and I left work early that day. Couldn't stand listening to the radio. Things have become more instant now. Just refresh the page and theres the latest update without a 4 hour delay.

Years ago I had the zheng zhang flu. Aint quite spelled right but... It kicked my azz for a week and a half. One day I was just wasted in bed and the next day I was up and moving fine and then the day after,,, back in to bed. It killed some of my sense of smell and some of my sense of taste.
But as of late, any flu I get only takes my temperature to just above 100 degree's Fahrenheit and it then goes away.


There was a news promo about some kid dying today in the U.S.
EDIT: Google the results and a lot of people dying.
http://news.google.c...swine flu death

[Windows 7 Fan]

no worries at all about Swine Flu anymore. The H1N1 Vaccine is about to arrive...

http://www.novartis....room/swine-flu/

[Roco]

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no worries at all about Swine Flu anymore. The H1N1 Vaccine is about to arrive...

http://www.novartis....room/swine-flu/

, you wish , sure swine flu is just the Flu , maybe ? , but if it mutates the vaccination will be worthless .and anyway the Vactination will ony be available to 30% of the world , the other 70% will be the perfect breading ground for mutation of the virus ,  Vaccination is only good for one strain of the flu ,
there ain't on shot cure for life .

SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome,


to put it into perspective , ( forget the the guy is not speaking in his native language , but he is trying hard ), 
sure TB is a big killer , we had just about cleared it from the UK , but with mass imigration it is back , 25% of imigrants into the UK are carring TB ,

I see the "WHO" (  world health org ( as a very valuable tool )
what the guy who has thousands of miles away , and will be here tomorrow , and we have a vested interesed  target in and sorting out world health  ,

BTW , anyone thinking of closing borders , it aint going to work , most flu infections are carried by animals and migratiory Birds ,  (sure pasenger air travel speeds things up,)
but is calculated  Bird Migration will spread any flu infecion
within  5 month's world wide ,

is swine  Flu seroius , not in it's present state , but if  it mutates ,
( and so far it hasn't ) it could be a number one killer world wide ,
BTW, a death is not normally attributed to the flu , it's upper respiratory tract infection , leading to heart failure ,

So is the human race Doomed ? . no it isn't , as it has always been , it is the survival of the the most hardy DNA ,
Just my thoughts ,




 

[tommie gorman]

Whether or not it sounds like it, I trust what you say shug and Roco. But these days its so hard to trust anything in the way of government. National or Global.

[Roco]

UK City 'cannot contain swine flu'

Health officials in Birmingham say the spread of swine flu in the city can no longer be contained.

Fifty-five new cases have been confirmed in the West Midlands region taking the total to 567 - more than half of the total cases in England.

The city council's health scrutiny committee was told officials want to move to "mitigating" the outbreak.

Sean Connolly, the city's director of resources, said the Department of Health was listening to its concerns.

[tommie gorman]

Don't you treat it as a flu? Rest and fluids? And a flu shot. Or did I miss the boat again? 

[zalternate]

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Don't you treat it as a flu? Rest and fluids? And a flu shot. Or did I miss the boat again? 

Nah. You put the person into a nice warm Mud Bath and let them percolate for a couple of hours, then rinse. Just like pigs do to keep cool in the blazing sunshine.


And the jokes will stop when it becomes a truly massive outbreak.................Zombies. 

[granpa]

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Don't you treat it as a flu? Rest and fluids? And a flu shot. Or did I miss the boat again? 

The proper treatment is to use fresh Oinkment made from pig-leaf.

[tommie gorman]

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The proper treatment is to use fresh Oinkment made from pig-leaf.

Granpa old friend. I wondered if you were still around. I'm gonna see if the pharmacist has any of that on the shelf first thing in the morning. 

Danged it, I missed noticing the 11111th post. 

[Dude111]

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They have been trying to freak people out with the Swine Flu since the 1970's.

Everyone should remain calm.... (And dont just believe whatever they hear from mainstream media)

[tdawnaz]

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Don't you treat it as a flu? Rest and fluids? And a flu shot. Or did I miss the boat again? 

no tommie...a flu shot...you get that prior...for prevention...not as a cure...

but for some swine flu goes beyond rest and fluids...and needs hospitalization...all flu is bad...lives in the lungs...it a virus...so at most it maybe can be treated with antivirals (not sure)...and for some that are already weakened by other conditions any flu can be deadly...

just like the hiv virus (human immunodeficiency virus) lives in ur lymph nodes, that virus itself isn't gonna kill u...the probability of death comes once it advances to aids (Acquired immune deficiency syndrome) which kills ur immune system and all kinds of diseases take over and the person succumbs to other infections

[zalternate]

  O goody. Some fresh material.   

The answer to all this? EAT BACON. As much as you can. Don't worry about the plugged arteries. Or the wheezing sound when you get up. Or that you get to ride around in an electric scooter and get to run into peoples ankles at the stores.   



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Ebola Virus Found in Pigs, Infects Farm Workers
Written by Bryan Nelson
Published on July 11th, 2009
Posted in About Animals, In Asia
Just months after the swine flu pandemic panicked the world, varying strains of the Ebola virus have been discovered in pigs, and they may be jumping between swine and humans effortlessly.
Researchers, who reported their findings in the journal Science, are concerned that pigs are providing a melting pot where the virus could mutate into something deadlier. And they warned that the emergence of Ebola in the human food chain is “of serious concern.”
The infections were discovered among pigs in the Philippines after tissue samples were taken to identify the source of unusually severe respiratory infections which were plaguing swine across the country. The discovery came as a surprise to researchers, since until now the Ebola-Reston (REBOV) virus had only been found in humans and other primates.

Perhaps more frightening, Ebola was also detected in farm workers who tend to the infected pigs. And it’s likely that the virus had been transmitted from swine to humans, and vice versa.

The good news is that so far the virus appears to pose no risk to humans, and none of the infected farm workers have shown signs of illness. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stress that this current strain of the virus is not of the same variety as the one which caused outbreaks of hemorrhagic fever in the early 90’s, and at present there is no serious cause for concern.

Even so, researchers writing in Science warn that “there is concern that its passage through swine may allow REBOV to diverge and shift its potential for pathogenicity.” In other words, the fact that the virus is being so readily exchanged between species could increase its chance of mutating, and this family of viruses has been associated with fatal diseases in humans before. Furthermore, it’s still unknown what effect an infection from the current strain would have on a human with a compromised immune system.

The Ebola virus was first identified in 1989 in the United States from cynomolgus monkeys which had been shipped in from the Philippines. Highly contagious outbreaks of Ebola hemorrhagic fever– a potentially fatal disease which causes heavy internal bleeding– ocurred in the U.S. in 1990 and 1996, and in Italy in 1992. Because those original outbreaks had also stemmed from the Philippines, the fact that the virus has now been discovered in pigs there raises alarm.

Although finding the virus in the human food chain is worth monitoring closely, the World Health Organization says that pork is still safe to eat, provided it is prepared and cooked properly. So far there’s no direct evidence that the virus has been transmitted through ingestion of an infected animal.

[Conuck]

Swine Flu side effects!

[tommie gorman]

Highly intriguing. 

[tdawnaz]

[mudmanc4]

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Swine Flu side effects!

Now this opens up a whole new world of weird