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Automatic 'silent' Updates For Your Windows Software. Good Or Bad?


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Poll: Automatic 'silent' Updates For Your Windows Software. Good Or Bad? (6 member(s) have cast votes)

Should software updates be done out in the open?

  1. Yes. Since sometimes updates can screw things up. (4 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. No. I like to set it and forget it. (1 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. Windows 98 rocks! Internet Explorer 5 is awesome. What are software updates? (3 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  4. My software silently updated, now my system don't boot. So spent all day tearing it apart. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 zalternate

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 12:25 PM

Poll, multiple answers allowed.



I prefer to know when something is updated. I do know that with Windows 7, is that the 'Windows firewall' sometimes gets turned on and sometimes updates will turn on the password screen when resuming from standby.

Then there are people out there who never noticed that their anti-virus software stopped updating 3 months ago.


People have also have been working on some type of document/project and then did not save it before going to bed. And on comes automatic Windows update and then an automatic reboot. All data lost of the document/project. But who is to blame?



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Mozilla plans to silently update Firefox

Joins Google, Adobe in auto-update movement to take patching out of users' hands

August 6, 2010

Computerworld - Taking a page from rival Google's playbook, Mozilla plans to introduce silent, behind-the-scenes security updating to Firefox 4.

The feature, which has gotten little attention from Mozilla, is currently "on track" to make it into the final of Firefox 4, the major upgrade slated to ship before the end of the year. Mozilla has released two beta previews of Firefox 4 in the last four weeks, and has set a third beta for next week.

Firefox 4's silent update will only be offered on Windows, Mozilla has said.

Most updates, including all security updates, will be downloaded and installed automatically without asking the user or requiring a confirmation, said Alex Faaborg, a principal designer on Firefox.

"We'll only be using the major update dialog box for changes like [version] 4 to 4.5 or 5," Faaborg said in a late July message on the "mozilla.dev.apps.firefox" forum. "Unfortunately users will still see the updating progress bar on load, but this is an implementation issue as opposed to a [user interface] one; ideally the update could be applied in the background."

Unlike Google, Mozilla will let users change the default silent service to the more traditional mode, where the browser asks permission before downloading and installing any update.

Chrome is the poster boy for automatic updates. Google's browser kicked off in September 2008 with a then-controversial mechanism that removed the user from the update equation. Chrome continues to rely on an automated service that updates the browser in the background, and can't be switched off.

Taking updates out of the hands of users keeps them safer, Google has claimed. A May 2009 paper co-authored by a Google engineer argued that, "Any software vendor [should] seriously consider deploying silent updates, as this benefits both the vendor and the user, especially for widely used attack-exposed applications like Web browsers and browser plug-ins."

According to "Why Silent Updates Boost Security" (download PDF), 97% of Chrome users were running the latest version of the browser within 21 days of the last update's release. By comparison, 85% of Firefox users were up-to-date in the same span, while only 53% Safari users could say the same.

Faaborg and Robert Strong, the Mozilla engineer who has been writing the behind-the-scenes updater, defended the move toward a Chrome-like service.

"I think the majority of users would prefer an application that doesn't bother them with what they view as little details, where a little detail is a minor update," said Faaborg. "We get a lot of complaints that Firefox updates too often, people can't see the difference with the new version (it was actually a security patch), that we change our mind too much and should just ship one version (it was actually a security patch), etc."

"There are people that don't like being notified of updates," Strong said on the same Mozilla discussion group. "There is 'no one size fits all' behavior for this that will please everyone."

Strong also took exception to the use of the term "forced" to describe how Firefox would keep users up-to-date. "As for 'forced' update ..., Chrome accomplishes this in part by forcing the install of Chrome into the user's profile which has a set of issues associated with it that we don't want to have, so we aren't taking that route," he said.

Mozilla isn't the only major developer toying with changing how its users receive patches: Adobe has added a silent updater to Reader and Acrobat, for instance. At the moment, users must manually switch on the new tool, and Adobe has said it has no plans to enable fully-automated updates without some kind of user permission.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:14 PM

View PostRoco, on 06 August 2010 - 06:01 PM, said:

windows does it silently , I thought it was only women that did that . Posted Image


Reminds of an apartment building I lived in. Apparently someone had a new girlfriend for 'a week'. Well she was a FAKE screamer during their once nightly sessions. But it was the scream of, "I'm out of control", that made me laugh my head off. And it was a 13 story concrete building too. Everyone heard it, as far as I know.

I sure hope thats what you meant by women and silent. :twisted:
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:50 AM

I still refuse to use IE8, pure molasses. <_< Update this microsoft. :flipa:
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:57 AM

View Posttommie gorman, on 09 August 2010 - 08:50 AM, said:

I still refuse to use IE8, pure molasses. <_< Update this microsoft. :flipa:


Then you'd really love to 'test drive' IE 9 Beta. :rolleyes:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/


And lets see how many holes it has once they screw it up before release to the masses. The initial reviews are that it is at least more compliant with the rest of the Internet.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 12:27 AM

View Postzalternate, on 09 August 2010 - 08:57 AM, said:

Then you'd really love to 'test drive' IE 9 Beta. :rolleyes:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/


And lets see how many holes it has once they screw it up before release to the masses. The initial reviews are that it is at least more compliant with the rest of the Internet.
:laugh: If my Vista was not stuck on IE7 I'd go back to IE6. It was the fastest I used. :police:
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 05:47 AM

auto-updates could mess up your computer.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 06:10 AM

View PostPlanet Leo, on 18 August 2010 - 05:47 AM, said:

auto-updates could mess up your computer.

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not if they're designed correctly ;-)
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:00 AM

View PostCA3LE, on 18 August 2010 - 06:10 AM, said:

not if they're designed correctly ;-)


:) i tried to do turn on auto updating on my computer - tried to turn on the computer the next day - not booting properly. It could be that the update was not successful or interferred, i really didn't know what had happened after the auto update. :)
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Posted 18 August 2010 - 11:47 AM

View PostCA3LE, on 18 August 2010 - 06:10 AM, said:

not if they're designed correctly ;-)

Ya know we are talking about Windoze here, right? :tickedoff: Once a year or once every two years, there is an update that conflicts. Whether that has to do with crappy testing on Microsoft's part or the user has settings that don't like the update. Windows 7 recently had a 'stability' update, that was slightly flawed. So I waited three weeks before install. KB977074. Caused various issues for people. Otherwise I wait about one week before downloading and installing the Windows updates to be sure that no bugs are in the updates. Usually they are found by the guinea pigs(auto update people) after about two days.
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Posted 19 August 2010 - 07:35 AM

View Postzalternate, on 18 August 2010 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ya know we are talking about Windoze here, right? :tickedoff: Once a year or once every two years, there is an update that conflicts. Whether that has to do with crappy testing on Microsoft's part or the user has settings that don't like the update. Windows 7 recently had a 'stability' update, that was slightly flawed. So I waited three weeks before install. KB977074. Caused various issues for people. Otherwise I wait about one week before downloading and installing the Windows updates to be sure that no bugs are in the updates. Usually they are found by the guinea pigs(auto update people) after about two days.


i'm really scared to do updates on my computer, the best thing to do is to sit and wait for the best update that would make my computer faster than ever.
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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:55 PM

I remember one bad update for XP.
It went into the settings of the ethernet port and turned it to "allow internet to wake up computer from sleep"(rough words). What a pain.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:38 PM

View Postzalternate, on 19 August 2010 - 03:55 PM, said:

I remember one bad update for XP.
It went into the settings of the ethernet port and turned it to "allow internet to wake up computer from sleep"(rough words). What a pain.



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