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The man george soros is come into the limelight, not the first time either. He's known for having his hand in the destruction of currencies around the world , and " shaping " them to what he see's fit, for his personal idealisms as one world government.

He is the 35th wealthiest human on the planet. ( figures to come later as if it matters )

Below is a compilation of his own words , references as an opportunistic atheist that feels he is acting out as god, in his own words.

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“Messianic Fantasies”



• “It is sort of a disease when youconsider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feelcomfortable about it now since I began to live it out,” (The Independent, June3, 1993)

• “I admit that I have always harboredan exaggerated view of self-importance –to put it bluntly, I fancied myself assome kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes or, even better, ascientist like Einstein,” (The Alchemy of Finance, George Soros)

• According to friend Byron Wien (nowwith the Blackstone Group), “You must understand he thinks he’s been anointedby God to solve insoluble problems. The proof is that he has been so successfulat making so much. He therefore thinks he has a responsibility to give moneyaway,” (Time Magazine, Sept 1, 1997)

• “If truth be known, I carried somerather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood which I felt I had tocontrol, otherwise I might end up in the loony bin. But when I made my way inthe world I wanted to indulge myself in my fantasies to the extent that I couldafford.”

• George Soros 60 Minutes Interview –12/20/98 / Transcript:

KROFT: Areyou religious?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: Do you believe in God?
Mr. SOROS:No.
KROFT: (Voiceover) Soros told us he believes God was created by man, notthe other way around, which may be why he thinks he can smooth out the world’simperfections.

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“THE MAN WHO BROKE THE BANK OF ENGLAND”



•               “As September 15 wore on, GeorgeSoros’s confidence that Britain would pull the pound out of the ERM wasgrowing. It had been Stanley Druckenmiller who had thought the time ripe formaking a bet against the sterling. He talked to Soros about doing something.Soros gave him the green light but urged his head trader to bet an even largersum than Druckenmiller had in mind. And so Druckenmiller, acting for Soros,sold $10 billion worth of sterling… The next morning at 7:00, the phone rang atSoros’s home. It was Stan Druckenmiller with news… While George Soros hadslept, he racked a profit $958 million. When Soros’s gains from other positionshe took during the ERM crisis were tallied, he racked up close to $2 billion…It was this bet, this single act of placing $10 billion on the fact thatBritain would have to devalue the pound, that made George Soros world famous,”(SOROS THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY, pgs 5-6).

•               “He famously shorted the Britishpound in 1992, wagering $10 billion on a drop in its value. In a desperate bidto keep its currency afloat, the Bank of England tried to buy up pounds as fastas Soros could dump them. However, as more and more investors followed Soros’lead and joined his efforts, the Bank of England eventually gave up. TheBritish pound was devalued, launching a tsunami of financial turmoil from Tokyoto Rome. When it was over, millions of hardworking Britons confronted theirdiminished savings, while Soros counted his gains. He had personally madenearly $2 billion on the catastrophe,” (The Shadow Party, pg. 4).

•               Soros has said of this event: “I hadno platform, so I deliberately [did] the sterling thing to create a platform.Obviously people care about the man who made a lot of money…my influence hascontinued to grow and I do have access to,”(Time Magazine, Sept 1, 1997)

•               In 1997, during the Asian financialcrisis, the then Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahathir bin Mohamad, accused him ofbringing down the Malaysian currency, the ringgit, through his tradingactivities. In Thailand he was branded an “economic war criminal” who “sucksthe blood from the people”.

REVOLUTIONS

•               “Just write that the former SovietEmpire is now called the Soros Empire,” (The New Republic, Jan 1994)

•               “I am acting out a fantasy and so isEastern Europe. A psychiatrist once told me how dangerous it is to act outfantasies and I am beginning to see what he meant,” (http://www.osi.hu/oss/postscript.html)

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ANTI-SEMITISM

•           In a 1998 interview with Steve Kroft,Soros was asked if he felt guilty about confiscating property from Jews as ateenager. He responded, “No.”

•           “I don’t deny the Jews their right toa national existence–but I don’t want to be part of it. ”That experiencenotwithstanding, Soros has chosen to exclude Israel and Jewish causes, by andlarge, from his massive philanthropy-a decision that has caused comment amongone of his colleagues in the financial community, particularly those who arestrong supporters of Israel. In Hungary, Soros has been subject to anti-Semiticattacks. Referring to being a target, Soros, in his book “UnderwritingDemocracy,” wrote, “I am ready to stand up and be counted.” When I mentionedthat rather suggestive line to Soros during one of several extended interviewswith him, he responded quickly, “Right. It took me a long time. ”
He continued,“My mother was quite anti-Semitic, and ashamed of being Jewish. Given theculture in which one lived, being Jewish was a clear-cut stigma, disadvantage,a handicap-and, therefore, there was always the desire to transcend it, toescape it.” He confirmed what someone had told me-that his family name had longago been changed from Schwartz. “So the assimilationist Jews of Hungary had adeep sense of inferiority and it took me a long time to work through that,” hesaid, adding, however, that he succeeded in doing so many years ago… “I amescaping the particular. I think I am doing exactly that by espousing thisuniversal concept”-of open society. “In other words, I don’t think that you canever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe… the only way you canovercome it is if you give up the tribalness.”
(Source:THE WORLD ACCORDING TO SOROS by CONNIE BRUC, The New Yorker, January 23, 1995,)

•           “As I looked around me for a worthycause. I ran into difficulties. I did not belong to any community. As aHungarian Jew I had never quite become an American. I had left Hungary behindand my Jewishness did not express itself in a sense of tribal loyalty thatwould have led me to support Israel,” ( http://www.osi.hu/oss/ch1.html)

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MORE ON TIVADAR SOROS

The otherday, George Soros and his older brother Paul, an engineer turnedinvestor-philanthropist, met in the offices of Soros Fund Management to discusstheir father. The occasion was the English-language publication of TivadarSoros’s wartime memoir, “Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-OccupiedHungary,” which was first published in 1965 in Esperanto, one of six languagesin which Soros pere was fluent.

“It was hisnature, regardless of difficulties, to believe that one must behave like ahuman being and one must make the most of life,” Paul Soros said, explainingthe charm and ebullience of his father, who, in the book, is described by hisfive-year-old son George as “a married bachelor,” and who, even when livingsemi-reclusively under an assumed Christian identity, never missed his dailyswim. “I remember during the siege we went to the opera, because at a time whenthere was no food the opera still served very nice hors d’oeuvres andpatisserie. Whether or not it was prudent, the idea was that you should makethe most of your circumstances.”

George, who,like Paul, has inherited his father’s broad face, pointed out that Tivadar’sfondness for the comforts of bourgeois life was not accompanied by a docilebourgeois sensibility. “We didn’t preserve ordinariness,” George said. “He madeus very conscious that these were extraordinary times and that the normal rulesdidn’t apply.” In the book, Tivadar writes that at one point young George wasrequired by the authorities to deliver notices to certain Jews that they shouldreport to the Rabbinical Seminary with blankets and food. “This was a profoundlyimportant experience for me,” George said. “My father said, ‘You should goahead and deliver them, but tell the people that if they report they will bedeported.‘ The reply from one man was ’I am a law-abiding citizen. They can’tdo anything to me.’ I told my father, and that was an occasion for a lecturethat there are times when you have laws that are immoral, and if you obey themyou perish.”

“Masquerade”contains a great deal of black social comedy; a running theme is Tivadar’sefforts to convince his recalcitrant mother-in-law that, all things considered,it really would be best if she stopped regarding the occupation as a personalinsult. (”I refuse to go anywhere if the people don‘t know who I am and I haveto pretend I’m somebody else all the time,” she said of his attempts to find asafe house for her.) Tivadar’s own ease with his assumed identity-he grew amustache, and went by Elek Szabo-led him, one day during an air raid, to tell aneighbor in the shelter about the time he approached the podium on which Hitlerwas standing at the 1936 Winter Olympics, just to see how close he could get.“Hardly fifteen minutes had passed after my tale when there was suddenly agreat commotion,” Tivadar wrote. “The shelter commander appeared, surrounded byseveral officers. . . . It transpired that the air-defense commander, in greatexcitement that there was someone present who had seen Hitler, had radioedheadquarters and a group had come over right away to see this privilegedperson.”

Tivadar’senergies, though, were largely devoted to the extremely serious business ofprocuring papers to save relatives and friends from a new, unimaginable form ofterror. “My father was ahead of the curve, because he recognized the moment theGermans came in that this was a different world and one had to actdifferently,” George said. He and Paul agreed that they still try to live bytheir father’s resourceful example. “The funny thing is that in character weprobably both inherited a lot more from our mother,” George said.

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GLOBALIZATION

•               Soros has long been calling forincreased globalization. In “The Crisis of Global Capitalism,” 1998 he writes:“To stabilize and regulate a truly global economy, we need some global systemof political decision-making. In short, we need a global society to support ourglobal economy. A global society does not mean a global state. To abolish theexistence of states is neither feasible nor desirable; but insofar as there arecollective interests that transcend state boundaries, the sovereignty of statesmust be subordinated to international law and international institutions.Interestingly, the greatest opposition to this idea is coming from the UnitedStates. But there has never been a time when a strong lead from the U.S. andother like-minded countries could achieve such powerful and benign results.With the right sense of leadership and with clarity of purpose, the U.S. andits allies could help to stabilize the global economic system and to extend anduphold universal human values. The opportunity is waiting to begrasped.”
(Source: The Crisis of Global Capitalism.(book excerpt), GeorgeSoros, 7 December 1998, Newsweek)

•               During this year he called forgreater authority to institutions such as the World Bank and the InternationalMonetary Fund (IMF) and for an International Credit Insurance Corp. toestablish some kind of supervision over national supervisory authorities andstated, “At the same time, there remains the urgent need for Congress toauthorise an increase in the capital of the IMF.“ He admitted that such”radical ideas“ could not even be considered until Congress ”changes itsattitude toward international institutions in general and the IMF inparticular.” (Source: Soros calls for global credit insurance agency, 15September 1998, Reuters News)

•               Soros has said that the United Stateswould cease to be the world’s undisputed dominant force. “The veto power thatwe have in the International Monetary Fund will disappear. We will bedownsized. At the same time, hopefully, we will have a better working systemand opponents will be more downsized than we will.”
(Source: BOSTON, Oct. 29 —Massachusetts Institute of Technology press release via Factiva)

•               “The Bubble of AmericanSupremacy,”: “The disparity between private goodsand public goods manifests itself in a number of ways. First, there is agrowing inequality between rich and poor, both within countries and amongcountries. Admittedly, globalisation is not a zero-sum game: its benefitsexceed the costs in the sense that the increased wealth produced byglobalisation could be used to make up for the inequities and othershortcomings of globalisation and there would still be some extra wealth leftover.
The trouble is that the winners do not compensate the losers eitherwithin states or between states. The welfare state as we know it has becomeunsustainable and international income redistribution is practicallynonexistent. Total international assistance amounted to $US56.5 billion ($74.4billion) in 2002. This amount represents only 0.18 per cent of global GDP. As aresult, the gap between the rich and the poor continues to grow.”
(Source:Edited extract from The Bubble of American Supremacy by George Soros via TheSydney Morning Herald, February 4, 2004)

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SOROS’ PHILOSOPHY

•               At the London School of Economics, Sorosdiscovered the work of philosopher Karl Popper, whose ideas on open society hada profound influence on his thinking. He was attracted to Popper’s critique oftotalitarianism, The Open Society and Its Enemies, which maintained thatsocieties can only flourish when they allow democratic governance, freedom ofexpression, a diverse range of opinion, and respect for individual rights.Later, working as a trader and analyst, he adapted Popper to develop his own“theory of reflexivity,” a set of ideas that seeks to explain the relationshipbetween thought and reality, which he used to predict, among other things, theemergence of financial bubbles. Soros began to apply his theory toinvesting and concluded that he had more talent for trading than forphilosophy. In 1967 he helped establish an offshore investment fund; and in1973 he set up a private investment firm that eventually evolved into theQuantum Fund, one of the first hedge funds. http://www.soros.org/about/bios/staff/george-soros



QUOTES FROM “The Open Society and Its Enemies: Hegel and Marx,”by Karl Popper (Vol. 2), by Karl Popper

•               The development of capitalism has ledto the elimination of all classes but two, a small bourgeiouse and a hugeproletariat: and the increase of misery has forced the latter to revolt againstits exploiters.  The conclusions are, first, that the workers must winthe struggle, secondly that, by eliminating bourgeiouse, they must establish aclassless society, since only one class remains. (pg 151-152)

•               But all over the earth, organizedpolitical power has begun to perform far-reaching economic functions.  Unrestrainedcapitalism has given way to a new historical period, to our own period ofpolitical interventionism, of the economic interference of the state.Interventionism has assumed various forms. There is the Russian variety;there is the fascist form of totalitarianism; and their s the domesticinterventionism of England, of the United States, and the “Smaller Democracies”led by Sweden where the technology of democratic intervention has reached thehighest level so far.  (pg 155)

•               Admittedly, increasing misery mustproduce resistance, and it is even likely to produce rebelliousoutbreaks.  But the assumption of our argument is that the miserycannot be alleviated until victory has been won in the social revolution.(pg 163)

•               I am not in all cases and underall circumstance against a violent revolution. (pg 166)

•               …the working of democracy rests largely upon the understandingthat  a government which attempts to misuse its powers and toestablish itself as a tyranny (or which tolerates the establishment of atyranny by anybody else) outlaws itself, and that the citizens have not onlya right, but also a duty to consider the action of such government a crime, andits members as a dangerous gang of criminals. (pg 167)

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MORE ABOUT KARL POPPER

http://www.hoover.or...st/article/8018

•               Although compelled to leave hisnative Austria in the 1930s (because of his Jewish ancestry), his book isremarkably free from personal bitterness or sadness.

•               He did not shrink from tracing thesources of those dangerous ideas to Marx, to Hegel, and even to that greatestof all philosophers, Plato. At a time when many intellectuals had lost faithin democracy, Popper offered a spirited defense of democratic principles andoutlined a compelling vision of a society grounded in democratic reforms.



•               Popper was a fallibilist,one who perceives great error and danger in any theory of knowledge—orregime—that claimed to offer certain truth. In such asystem, there would be no incentive to establish social and politicalstructures that promote learning or the free exchange of ideas; truth isalready at hand. In the name of historical progress, the regime may thenjustify the squelching of human freedoms and even atrocities on a grand scale.

•               George Soros, who firstencountered The Open Society as Popper’s student at the London School ofEconomics, founded the Open Society Institute to propagate Popper’s ideas,particularly in Eastern Europe. Thus the politicalphilosophy Popper first articulated before the start of the Cold War is nowbeing studied and put into practice in countries newly emerging from behind theIron Curtain.

•               He left school at age sixteen andbegan auditing lectures at the University of Vienna. Although a Marxist as ateenager, he was repelled in 1919 by the leftist-inspired street violence ofpostwar Vienna that resulted in the deaths of demonstrators. That sameyear, he studied Freud’s psychoanalysis and worked for a time with psychiatristAlfred Adler.

•               In 1922 he matriculated at theUniversity of Vienna. To support himself, he apprenticed himself to acabinetmaker and took up social work. Pursuing his goal of becoming aschoolteacher, Popper subsequently returned to the university. In 1928, heearned a Ph.D. in philosophy and, in 1929, a teacher’s certificate. Beginningin the late 1920s, Popper began interacting with members of the famous ViennaCircle of logical positivists, a group of prominent intellectuals trying toarticulate the importance of science for philosophy. Shortly after publishing(in German) a then little-noticed but classic work on the logical foundationsof science in 1934, Popper left Austria under the threat of Nazi anti-Semitism.From New Zealand, where he had obtained a university teaching post, he returnedto England after World War II as professor of philosophy of science at theLondon School of Economics, where he remained until his retirement.

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SOROS’CURRENT TIES

SOROS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA



•               In December 2006, Soros met withpresidential hopeful Barack Obama in Soros’ New York office. Soros hadpreviously hosted a fundraiser for Obama during his 2004 campaign for theSenate.

•               On January 16, 2007, Obama announcethe creation of a presidential exploratory committee and within hours Sorossent a contribution of $2,100, the maximum allowable under campaign financelaws.

•               Days after Obama was elected inNovember of 2008, Soros said in an interview “I think we need a large stimuluspackage which will provide funds for state and local government to maintaintheir budgets – because they are not allowed by the constitution to run adeficit. For such a program to be successful, the federal government would needto provide hundreds of billions of dollars. In addition, another infrastructureprogram is necessary. In total, the cost would be in the 300 to 600 billiondollar range.” Since then, Congress passed a $787 billion stimulus and Obamavery recently introduced a $50 billion plan to improve the country’stransportation program, saying “I want America to have the best infrastructurein the world.”

•               In that same interview, Soros calledfor cap & trade: “I think this is a great opportunity to finally deal withglobal warming and energy dependence. The US needs a cap and trade system withauctioning of licenses for emissions rights. I would use the revenues fromthese auctions to launch a new, environmentally friendly energy policy. Thatwould be yet another federal program that could help us to overcome the currentstagnation.” Since then, Congress has introduced cap & trade legislation.(More info in “going green” section)

•               Also in that interview, Soros said“In 2010, the Bush tax cuts will expire and we should not extend them.” Sincethen, Obama expressed his opposition to the Bush tax cuts in an interview withABC on September 9^th: “All those middle class folks who need taxrelief hostage right now in order to provide tax breaks for the top two percentwealthiest Americans, who don’t need a tax break, aren’t asking for a taxbreak. And you know, if we could afford it, it’d be one thing. But we knowthat’s gonna cost $700 billion over ten years. And so, that is not a smartthing to do for the economy”

•               Soros is also on board with Obama’sproposals to reform the banking system. In an interview with the BBC: Interviewer:Now President Obama last week announced some quite radical proposals to reformthe banking system. He wants them out of what he calls “proprietary trading”,using their capital to speculate on their own account, and also he wants alimit on their size. Are these constructive measures in your view? Soros:Very much so these are the right … it goes in the right direction. In myopinion, it doesn’t actually go far enough because it still leaves the problemof too big to fail. In other words, if you let’s say now again Goldman Sachsgives up its banking license, it becomes then an investment bank …

January2010, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/8485029.stm

•               Since  Obama’s been in office,Soros has made four visits to the White House

•               ALSO IN HIS 2008 INTERVIEW:

Soros: “I think this is a great opportunity to finally deal withglobal warming and energy dependence. The US needs a cap and trade system withauctioning of licenses for emissions rights. I would use the revenues fromthese auctions to launch a new, environmentally friendly energy policy. Thatwould be yet another federal program that could help us to overcome the currentstagnation.

SPIEGEL: Your proposal would be dismissed on Wall Street as “biggovernment.” Republicans might call it European-style “socialism.”

Soros: That is exactly what we need now. I am against marketfundamentalism. I think this propaganda that government involvement is alwaysbad has been very successful — but also very harmful to our society.

SPIEGEL: Would you advise the new president to say that publicly?

Soros: He has already spoken about changing the political discourse. Ithink it is better to have a government that wants to provide good governmentthan a government that doesn’t believe in government.

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George is my hero , far smarter than Goverments, he pulls strings world wide ,
and has his fingure on the pulse, love him or hate him,(take your choice ,he runs rings around the markets ),
is it ethical ? , maybe not ,but he never did me any harm ,

my veiw, you hunt with the hounds , or run  with the fox ,  the 2 don't mix ,
or as we say in the UK "you put your money where your mouth is  and take a hit with a striff uper lip,
and no point of crying over spilt milk ",



just my personal thoughts,

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Roco, on 22 May 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

George is my hero , far smarter than Goverments, he pulls strings world wide ,
and has his fingure on the pulse, love him or hate him,(take your choice ,he runs rings around the markets ),
is it ethical ? , maybe not ,but he never did me any harm ,

my veiw, you hunt with the hounds , or run  with the fox ,  the 2 don't mix ,
or as we say in the UK "you put your money where your mouth is  and take a hit with a striff uper lip,
and no point of crying over spilt milk ",



just my personal thoughts,

Wow, I had no idea you felt this way. I'm not going to assume you aren't aware who he and his fellows are. As it's rare if ever anyone comments on him unless they do.

Just one question if you would , are you aware of and who the fabian society is ?  And that Soros is a major player  ? btw , there is quite a bit more to the roots and reality of the society then in the wiki.

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mudmanc4, on 22 May 2011 - 07:34 PM, said:

Wow, I had no idea you felt this way. I'm not going to assume you aren't aware who he and his fellows are. As it's rare if ever anyone comments on him unless they do.

Just one question if you would , are you aware of and who the fabian society is ?  And that Soros is a major player  ? btw , there is quite a bit more to the roots and reality of the society then in the wiki.

Ah , indeed the Fabians Society , a very early debating group ,  mostly comprised of intellectuals , and did much good work for the working classes in the early 1900’s ,
Still alive and well today , and closely linked to the UK Labour party ,
I personally don’t have a problem with its socialist views, and it’s good to see intelligent
folk having some input  into government thinking ,

I can’t see any link with the new world order ( NWO )  LOL , although  it maybe more powerful than Governments , but  that’s just a personal thought , I never laid much store by Politicians intelligence ,  seems to me they just crave power and wealth ,
and to keep that they will lie and cheat , anything to keep the voters content ,
which I fear has lead us into our world wide predicament ,

Soros manipulated world markets  and made a fortune , just another smart business man IMHO , I just  manipulated nuts and bolts, just another dumb ass I guess ,


BTW , most of the UK's Labour party Prime Ministers are or were members of the Society ,  

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A few words for thought :

Just because one has the power to " do something "  , is this power  ( money ) a license to do it ? No matter the consequences ?

There is a distinct relevancy between  " smart " , wise , and intelligent and experienced enough to know the differences between them. When to act and when to sit one out.

Just because so many are following a certain creed of idealism ,  does this equate to the idea that it is good or correct ? And that it must be good for all if so many are following ?

Should there be a few men / woman or select organization that has the power to decide for the billions of the world ?

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mudmanc4, on 07 June 2011 - 10:53 AM, said:

A few words for thought :

Just because one has the power to " do something "  , is this power  ( money ) a license to do it ? No matter the consequences ?

There is a distinct relevancy between  " smart " , wise , and intelligent and experienced enough to know the differences between them. When to act and when to sit one out.

Just because so many are following a certain creed of idealism ,  does this equate to the idea that it is good or correct ? And that it must be good for all if so many are following ?

Should there be a few men / woman or select organization that has the power to decide for the billions of the world ?

I agree your conscience should be your guide , I can except I might be one sandwich short of a picnic , but who would I rather follow , ?
for sure I ain't the ruling type , by that token I guess I am a follower , but with enough Independence to question ,

Power ? , isn't for everyone , most animal herds have a top dog ! , without that  the herd fails , Humans are no different ,

now the real question is who is top dog , sure intelligence goes a long way , but wisdom scores higher , getting that essential mix is the big one ,
maybe it can't be found in one person , and certainly not in Governments that are more interested in scoring off each other ,

Money ?, has power beyond Governments , well it's not so much money but the lack of, that drives the world forward ,

organisations ? , the first question is how did they get so powerful ? , I can only guess with the approval of the population ,the second part is
if they then take a wrong turning according to the populist view , what can be done about it , how do you tame the monster you built ?
some negative thoughts from me , but the world will survive , maybe this generation will be labelled the questioning generation ,or the generation with a
first time conscience ?, and not a bad thing IMHO
for the first time in History we have all got instant info. maybe it's causing overload but we will adapt and move on ,

just some random thoughts from me , nothing Earth shattering , I retired from that in the 60 's  
but the fruit thrown by listeners saved me from starvation at the time

Vid. Speakers corner Hyde Park London UK ,
and still going strong  ( pre computer forum ? )
now I attend as a troll

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Roco, on 07 June 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

organisations ? , the first question is how did they get so powerful ? , I can only guess with the approval of the population ,

Vid. Speakers corner Hyde Park London UK ,
and still going strong  ( pre computer forum ? )
now I attend as a troll

Having questioned myself if power comes from approval , there is only one sensible answer looking at history.  Inheriting money then using it with glee is one thing , using it to intentionally bring millions of people to there knees in front of you is another.

Many of these people are stopped , as we have been witnessing , others however , that have plagiarized there way into positions parallel with other narcissistic minds, feel there security by the approval of those.


Social justice is one thing , by force , ridicule and manipulation is much the same as who and what the " protestors " started out to believe is another. no ?

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mudmanc4, on 07 June 2011 - 06:11 PM, said:

Having questioned myself if power comes from approval , there is only one sensible answer looking at history.  Inheriting money then using it with glee is one thing , using it to intentionally bring millions of people to there knees in front of you is another.

Many of these people are stopped , as we have been witnessing , others however , that have plagiarized there way into positions parallel with other narcissistic minds, feel there security by the approval of those.


Social justice is one thing , by force , ridicule and manipulation is much the same as who and what the " protestors " started out to believe is another. no ?

not sure on the Inheriting Money , that just pushes the time line further back ?, all money is made of the backs of other's ,somewhere down the chain is a person not getting his due pay , I suggest Mr.Soros is in his own way is near the top end of the chain, and not doing much different to the rest of us , except on a bigger scale ,

BTW, interesting meeting coming up , I have no idea if Mr.Soros will be attending , but I  can say I didn't get an invite again this year

In the manner of a James Bond plot, up to 150 leading politicians and business people are to gather in a ski resort in Switzerland for four days of discussion about the future of the world.
Ordinary people can only guess at the goings-on at the meetings of the secretive Bilderberg Group, which is bringing together the world's financial and political elite this week. Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?

The belief in secret cabals running the world is a hardy perennial. And on Thursday perhaps the most controversial clandestine organisation of our times - the Bilderberg Group - is meeting behind closed doors.


more @
http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-13682082

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