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[mudmanc4]

Iv'e been watching the series ancient aliens, hey the stuff is interesting.

The latest one Iv'e seen is about the site Pumapunku

It might be so far found at least , the most technically advanced stone work yet. Here are a few pics of these stones, that some agree could be at least 17,000 years old. So how is it they carved these literally perfect andlges and grooves in granite , small holes drilled , kept in sequential distances from each other. On and on.







There are dozens more images here

After thinking about it for a few minutes , what if these stones were created to create something else. Like a die , or a template of sorts.

If you get all crazy , and think outside what governments have taught us for generations , what if civilization existed many years before the scholastic books, and much was destroyed for whatever reason intentionally.

You could get even more insane , and say that the ancient aliens , are us. Only in a different manner than we existed in the past with more technology then we do have now.

Say that we have mastered time travel , or something way out there such as this. And these are simply relics of our time travel. Simple enough.

[tommie gorman]

1 Step Back, 2 Steps Forward. I for one am not suprised what they did back when. Take for instance embalming of mummies. We still don't have the technology to do that as far as I know. And the early American Indians and their cures. Just saying IMO.

Edited by tommie gorman, 17 March 2012 - 08:08 AM.

[mudmanc4]

I hear you , but from what Iv'e seen , this is much more than experimenting over time with fruits and oils to see which one preserves flesh longer you know.

These are true right angles , not close , but dead nut 90 °

They too a sample of the rock , it's laying all around , from what they think may have been a series of floods , one , a wall of mud , and two , and wall of water , that in some way bashed the place to bits.

Anyhow this well experienced metallurgist tested , he cut the rock with a laser , he cut it with a wheel , and compared the cuts to the existing cuts. The exiting cut on the same rock , and showed that these must have been cut with something like a diamond cutter , or better. There flat and true , just a bit aged.

Really makes you think.

[RTB]

1 Step Back, 2 Steps Forward. I for one am not suprised what they did back when. Take for instance embalming of mummies. We still don't have the technology to do that as far as I know. And the early American Indians and their cures. Just saying IMO.

As far as I know, we don't know exactly what the egyptians did in their embalming ceremonies (because it wasn't written down), but we do know how mummification works, and thus we do have a rough idea of what chemicals were used. It's also still being done by humans if I remember right.

There are probably more undiscovered civilisations, but it's curious that there are no tools left behind whatsoever. Or at least, they haven't been found yet. Anything capable of carving granite has to be at least as durable as granite itself.

[tommie gorman]

A diamond tool is a cutting tool with diamond grains fixed on the functional parts of the tool via a bonding material or another method.

If it rusted away there would only be grains left, almost unseen by the eye, and no way to say what it looked like before.
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Diamond_tool

[Conuck]

I don't believe in the big bang theory. Can't figure out the past history of man but they know how the planet was created! Please give me a break!! There have been civilization found that predate the Egyptians by 1000's of years. I posted here what I thought a few years back. I truly believe man or what ever occupied this planet billions of years ago.Went to war and burned the planet and it took millions of years for it to cool down. They tried different types of experimentation over the development of the planet and eventually we crawled out of the rocks. Maybe some DNA juggling with what escaped the planet and they returned the mutations to see how they would survive and kept playing with the DNA until we are what we are today. I have had this belief since I was in High School !!

[RyanS]

i've seen documentaries where there have been dinosaur prints along a trail and so the crew dug up the cliff facing that the tracks seemed to end at, and saw human prints in the same layer of soil as the dino tracks. i wish i could remember the name of all these things, as im hugely into the whole ufology and such. i know for a fact the sumerians knew exactly about all the planets, in as much, if not more detail than we did and look how long ago that was. the hindu religion i think it was told about vemanas (spelling on that one im not sure is right), which were chariots of fire that flew with their gods in them. , i mean there are so many stories that are exactly the same yet all over the world from before these people should have even known about each other. so why is everything the exact same....there are so called "vortex power lines" that supposedly have some kind of abnormal magnetic and energy readings all over earth and if so, they actually do follow where all of these places like stonehenge, the pyramids, etc. are at.

i could go on for hours about this stuff lol. so i think i'll cut it short.

but i do want to ask one question that is kind of a paradox...a mind fuck, if you will.....the big bang theory....at first there was nothing but dust and stuff worthless to anyone and then it exploded with huge energy that created the universe we see today.....ok.....thats beginning of time??? where the hell did all the stuff that exploded come from then??? gotta be a reason that dust and energy was there, dont you think? so what was the actual beginning of the universe? because IMHO, if that stuff was there, then it obviously had to come from somewhere. how did anything just emerge from nowhere then explode.......

[mudmanc4]

Is it possible many of the above are correct ? I mean I see for myself that ancient aliens leans to the side of no supreme being, at the same time the same civilizations that worshiped what is said could have been visitors from somewhere other then the earth, also worshiped God , or god's.

Interesting that the world was once flat , at the same time , the best of the best , can only come up with the explanation to our children , that there was nothing but a dense area of stuff , then children , there was this big bangy thing. It's laughable. Do I have a better explanation ? Sure , then again I believe in a higher power then humans, in a spiritual way. As most anyone that has taken seriously everything presented to them , from p[ast civilizations that used hallucinogens in ceremonies to open there minds to the frequencies humans have trained themselves to block out , all the way to the millions that have claimed to either be abducted , or the ones that claim to have died and been spoken to by a higher being they call God.

We really have to keep an open mind. In my opinion anyhow.

As far as the rusting away of the tool , thats if a ferrous material was used to hold ( if it was diamonds ) , which looking at the stones, was likely much more advanced then steel. And chances are these tools were part of a much larger machine that was taken away. You don't cut something as true as this , with a simple tool, without a guide , such as the lathes and precision grinding machines we use today to keep the cut true.

Something to think about.

[RTB]

but i do want to ask one question that is kind of a paradox...a mind fuck, if you will.....the big bang theory....at first there was nothing but dust and stuff worthless to anyone and then it exploded with huge energy that created the universe we see today.....ok.....thats beginning of time??? where the hell did all the stuff that exploded come from then??? gotta be a reason that dust and energy was there, dont you think? so what was the actual beginning of the universe? because IMHO, if that stuff was there, then it obviously had to come from somewhere. how did anything just emerge from nowhere then explode.......

According to the theory it was the beginning of our observable universe. What happened before it, and what happens around it are things we can't know (unless we discover warp engines, and even then reaching the 'end' of the universe is only theoretically possible), due to them being outside of the space we can observe. Note that it's a theory, and that it's not the only one. If I remember right currently even Hawking thinks a big bang isn't necessary for this universe to exist in its current state.

Interesting that the world was once flat , at the same time , the best of the best , can only come up with the explanation to our children , that there was nothing but a dense area of stuff , then children , there was this big bangy thing. It's laughable. Do I have a better explanation ? Sure , then again I believe in a higher power then humans, in a spiritual way. As most anyone that has taken seriously everything presented to them , from p[ast civilizations that used hallucinogens in ceremonies to open there minds to the frequencies humans have trained themselves to block out , all the way to the millions that have claimed to either be abducted , or the ones that claim to have died and been spoken to by a higher being they call God.

The earth being flat was a superstition from the dark ages, you can thank oppressive religion for that. The Greek were aware the earth was round, and even managed to approximate the size of the earth.

[tommie gorman]

Oppressive religion ..... or oppressive religious leaders and/or kings at the time?

[RyanS]

at the same time look at the several sites, where rocks were so perfectly cut that even to this day you can not even fit a razor blade in between the slabs of rock. i love this kind of stuff because anything is possible.

my opinion is that there are so many stories about the same exact things all over the world from times where nobody knew each other existed according to our history books that at least some of it is true, or there is a huge coincidence that its all the same. sure the "gods" have different names, but there are pyramids around the world, stories about the same events (for the most part), etc. all over the place. the coolest thing about it is the same thing that draws me towards the oceans as well as space. NOBODY KNOWS the true answers for everything, and it just hits this part of my mind that makes me keep thinking and researching until i eventually (probably not in my life time though) have enough answers to satisfy me.

[RTB]

Oppressive religion ..... or oppressive religious leaders and/or kings at the time?

I'd say those two are the same thing, since back then leaders decided how far religion went, because it was expected of you to be religious back then.

[mudmanc4]

I'd say those two are the same thing, since back then leaders decided how far religion went, because it was expected of you to be religious back then.

Yes it was expected, but not many years after it was normal behavior to follow some of the oldest set of moral rules.

Then people started saying , hey , if I want to be what my mind tells me to be , if thats queer , killer, liar , thief or whatever , then i should be allowed. And these people started fighting and literally killing to get the social freedom to do to others as they please. The MTV was born.