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[tdawnaz]

1934 - 1980

With the elections just a little over 3 months away you'll soon be hearing some Democrats running for political office, warning how the Republicans want to take away the old people's Social Security.

Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn't know this it's easy to check out, if you don't believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what's what and it doesn't matter whether you are Democrat or Republican.

Facts are Facts :

Social Security Cards , issued in 1934, and up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and that card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

When Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $90,000

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program .

Under Johnson, another Democrat, the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Under Clinton & Gore, Democrats, Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away' for us -- you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

AND MY FAVORITE:

A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.

Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.

But it's worth a try.

How many people can YOU send this to? Actions speak louder than bumper stickers. Me?? I just sent it to 85,000 members on TestMy.net

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[tommie gorman]

Great idea, thanks for sharing ,momma.

[CA3LE]

It was probably planned from the beginning. It was an elaborate plan to turn everyone into a number. -- You win the public over with something wonderful, then change the program slowly over 80 years... then people don't realize what they're losing. After about 100 years... dismantle the program and screw everyone over who paid in...

... "not for Identification", bah ha ha ha ha... trust me, Social Security was an identification plan from day one... the fact that they put that on there is pretty funny. Almost as if to discredit anyone who tried to say there was more behind it. "No Fred, look, it says right on there Not for Identification." --- "Oh, okay... I guess you're right."

[Conuck]

New World Order!! Think about it!!

[CA3LE]

[Roco]

maybe a dumb question , but how can you be a recipient of social security without being identified ?
I can't follow the logic going on here, I guess it's paid into the recipients bank account (Identifiable ?)
or is it handed over in cash to whoever asks ,if so can I have some ,
BTW ,my name is Micky mouse the 3rd,

[tdawnaz]

roco think of it this way...that number wasn't so much an identifier as a number to your portion of a savings...a pension...of sorts...your name and how you are id'd by that would be your identifier.

[Conuck]

It was never intended to be an Identification number for Police, Credit Bureau's.or any other means of ID. It was only for Social Security Administration to use for account purposes !!

[tdawnaz]

It was never intended to be an Identification number for Police, Credit Bureau's.or any other means of ID. It was only for Social Security Administration to use for account purposes !!

so what happened?? how did it all change?

places ask me for my social when i call and i tell them figure out something else to ask me cuz i'm not gonna recite that

[Roco]

roco think of it this way...that number wasn't so much an identifier as a number to your portion of a savings...a pension...of sorts...your name and how you are id'd by that would be your identifier.

Ok thanks for the explanation, we have the same over here our "national Insurance number" it carries prefixes
(mine indicates "not born in the UK )", it's needed to get medicare (NHS) pensions .work , social payments. open a bank account ,
get a passport . driving licence, and many other services , it's your life times tag , from cradle to coffin LOL ,
it also works for taxation purposes , no doubt the police have acces to it , I figure it would be a good to tattoo every one
maybe just above the heart , in case they loose a limb , although my favored place would be across the forehead ,
illgals and crime figures would drop dramaticly , sounds extreme ? , we brand animals so why not ?

anyway getting back on topic ,as it's prudent to have an identifier for everyone in a nation ?
(surely there can be no logical argument about that , or is there ?)
I guess I just don't follow the old retoric about "I am a free man not a number" ,
nobody ever was a free man , including the original imigrants to America , they were counted out and counted in ,
and crossed out on their final departure ,
Just my thoughts

[Conuck]

so what happened?? how did it all change?

places ask me for my social when i call and i tell them figure out something else to ask me cuz i'm not gonna recite that

Give this a read it will explain it!

History of the Social Security Number

How the social security number evolved from being used to collect taxes to an Internal Passport ID number
How the Social Security number evolved from being a number used by the government to collect taxes to a number used by the American police state as an internal passport number that you need to get a job, a drivers license, or a passport.
The first Federal income tax was enacted in 1894, it was quickly challenged and in 1895 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional because it was a direct tax not apportioned according to the population of each state.
The sixteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States gave the United States government the power to tax income. It was ratificated on February 3, 1913. It reads:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Social Security numbers were not invented for another 22 years in 1935. And it took 48 years in 1961 for Social Security Numbers to be used to keep track of your income tax. In the first 43 years of the income tax the IRS used your NAME to keep track of your income tax.
The first income tax was very low. It was only 1% of your income. And it only taxed rich people who made over $3,000. Adjusted for inflation a person making $3,000 in 1913 would be failry well off today and make $57,000 in 2004 dollars. The maximun income tax rate was 7 percent for taxpayers with income in excess of $500,000. Less than 1 percent of the population paid income tax at the time. Here are some income tax forms from 1913. Read them and weep. You will say damn I wish income tax was that low now.
When income tax was debated in congress some congress members argued that a cap should be put on the maxinun income tax of 10%. They though that a tax of 10% would be outragous. Too bad that didn't happen! In 2004 the tax rate of a person even making mininum wage is 10%. In 2004 a well off person making $57,000 pays 25%. In 2004 a person making over $319,100 pays 35%. And that is only the INCOME TAX. When you add in Social Security taxes, state income taxes, sales taxes even a person making mininun wage is paying a third of their income to the government. According to the folks at the Tax Foundation all the money you made in 2005 up till April 16 ¹ goes to the government. They call it "Tax Freedom Day".
The Social Security police state ID number didn't come about for another 22 years after income tax was invented. The Social Security Act was signed into law on August 14, 1935. Back then you only had to pay pay 1% of the first $3,000 of your yearly income. In 2004 dollars that would be 1% of the first $40,770 earned. But the FICA tax in 2005 has increased almost 8 times the orginal 1% rate and is 7.65%. And instead of only paying the FICA tax on the first $40,770 ($3,000 adjusted for inflation) you pay it on income up over twice times that of $90,000. Which means the FICA taxes has effectively been increased 16 times in size over it's orginal 1% tax on a max of $3,000.
In November, 1936 the first Social Security card was issued. You just filled out an application to get it. You could apply for one by the mail. And you didn't need to prove who you were or provide any identification documents.
Back in those days when you got a job you didn't have to show anyone the card. You only had to tell your employeer your SSN so it could be used to withhold your social security taxes.
The public and legislators were immediately suspicious and distrustful of this using the SSN as a tracking system fearing that the SSN would quickly become a system containing vast amounts of personal information, such as race, religion and family history, that could be used by the government to track down and control the action of citizens. Public concern over the potential for abuse inherent in the SSN tracking system was so high, that in an effort to dispel public concern the first regulation issued by the Social Security Board declared that the SSN was for the exclusive use of the Social Security system.
In 1935 when the Social Security Number was invented it was not tied to the IRS's income tax system. Social Security was a stand alone system totally apart from the income tax system run by the Internal Revenue Service.
In 1943 the withholding tax on wages was introduced. The United States government was now forcing employers to collect the income tax from their employees. This made it much harder for the common man on the street to prevent Uncle Sam from stealing his hard earned money. And please note that at this point in time the SSN was not used for collecting income tax. Prior to this people who paid their income taxe in a lump sum on April 15 of every year. And please note again at this point in time the SSN was used only for collecting Social Security taxes. It was not tied to the income tax.
For income tax in 1942 the use of a SSN was optional. In 1946 it became mandatory.
In 1946 the Social Security cards started saying

FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES
NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

In 1961 the Internal Revenue Service began using Social Security numbers as taxpayer ID numbers (TIN). Therefore, SSNs are required on records of transactions in which the IRS is interested. That includes most banking, stock market, property or other financial transactions as well as employment records.
In 1972 the government admitted its plans to use the SS number for the national police state id number and the legend

FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES
NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

was removed from the Social Security Card.
In 1974 the feds said that states could not require you to give your SS number for many things such as a drivers license. But much of that has changed.

The Privacy Act of 1974 requires all government agencies -- federal, state and local -- that request SSNs to provide a "disclosure" statement on the form. The statement explains if you are required to provide your Social Security number or if it is optional, how the SSN will be used, and under what statutory or other authority the number is requested (5 USC 552a, note). The U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) provides guidance and oversight regarding the Privacy Act of 1974. The text of the Privacy Act can be found at the websitewww.usdoj.gov/foia/privstat.htm.

Continue read here:
http://papers-please...rd_history.html

[mudmanc4]

Roco , seems somewhere along the lines of 2000 years ago , it was written you would be identified by a mark on your hand. Maybe the plan was made some time ago.

Who cares if I'm identifiable. I am part of the system , the ones that have the most say in each of our lives must have a reason for branding us with a serial number. What could that be.

[Conuck]

Who cares if I'm identifiable. I am part of the system , the ones that have the most say in each of our lives must have a reason for branding us with a serial number. What could that be.

Your place in line at the Soylent Green Factory!!!

[mudmanc4]

Your place in line at the Soylent Green Factory!!!

Always wanted to try one of those pellets, of course till the end of the movie lmao.

Aside this theory, collectivism , or as been stated , collective salvation. Ponder that.

[Conuck]

side this theory, collectivism , or as been stated , collective salvation. Ponder that.

Rounding up all the crooked politicians and sending them to the fertilizer plant is my idea of collective salvation, almost forgot throw in the illegal immigrants too!!

[mudmanc4]

I wouldn't want to eat whatever grew from that mess

[Roco]

Roco , seems somewhere along the lines of 2000 years ago , it was written you would be identified by a mark on your hand. Maybe the plan was made some time ago.

Who cares if I'm identifiable. I am part of the system , the ones that have the most say in each of our lives must have a reason for branding us with a serial number. What could that be.

2000 years ago was but a blink of an eye . and I don't swallow that crap ,.

why should we be idetifiable today ? ,
jeez, we all need roads ,hosptals, schools ,better BB ,every thing for todays and the future needs ,
how do you plan that without a head count ? ,
just saying , ( and no disrespect ) indeed it's just my view ,
I can't figure out the American written constitution with all it's amendments . or the originality of being a free man
written back in 1934 , maybe it's because the Brits don't have a written constution ,?
heck, stonehenge was built by a UK population of around 20K, we still don't fully understand it's purpose ,
whatever its history was , times move on ,I now got a Japanese Seconda watch that keep time to 5 sec.a year ,
my house clock ( radio signal controled ) keep time to 1 second in a 1k years ,
just saying times change , those that don't grasp it tend to become EX's ,

Rounding up all the crooked politicians and sending them to the fertilizer plant is my idea of collective salvation, almost forgot throw in the illegal immigrants too!!

I can agree on the politcians , we got more than our fair share over here , several are now in jail ,
illeagal immigrants ? depends on which side you are on , I figure the native Americans may have a view on that ,?

[tommie gorman]

Illeagal immigrants ? depends on which side you are on , I figure the native Americans may have a view on that ,?

If I remember correctly the English were the first illegal immigrants here, we were just left here to make a home of it. So in effect I'd say tell it to the queen, its in her court now.


PS the part that bothers me is not the card as an identifier, its more of the lackluster use of my money in a way that to begin with is illegal, and second of all is not handled properly or for its intended usage. Social security should pay twice what it does now. But I am sure its probably the way politicians get thier extra funds for fun.

Edited by tommie gorman, 02 August 2012 - 07:41 AM.

[mudmanc4]

I'm certain there has been terrible mistakes made by America's lawmakers, IE: immigration

Yet the term itself implies by heritage to immigrate to , assimilate , join in , enjoy the freedom. But there are unwritten laws , or at the least sticking with the laws, that immigrants must 'assimilate' or join the system in the country they have chosen.

No one would be even discussing this issue , SS and or immigration , if those who came here through a fence or by boat , would do as they claim to seek. Make sense the way I said it ? I mean people say we want to come to America for a better life then where we came. Thats beautiful, it really is.And I appreciate that , that Iv'e been part of something that has in someone els's eye's appeared to be what they want for there children and themselves.

So why come here and start the same thing you left ? Illegal or immoral activity that does not reflect what you used to see as freedom.

There are unwritten laws. That we all have , as American , immigrate 100 years ago or last week , that we become part of what America is all about , we help each other , care , not just talk it , then go against it , fight it and try to change it to something else outside of the system you oh so wanted to become part of.

That alone is a mindset that needs to be changed by all of us. As with anything else in nature , the more it is fought , the more it resists , we can apply this to almost anything in any conversation.

So set up in these empty building , offices for those coming in , to join the U.S.A. , to become part of something larger , to help make this land what we all know it to be. Fill out your paperwork like all other immigrants have or should have, and smile that you have been able to be a part of the small place on earth that still allows such freedoms of humanity.

[Roco]

If I remember correctly the English were the first illegal immigrants here, we were just left here to make a home of it. So in effect I'd say tell it to the queen, its in her court now.


PS the part that bothers me is not the card as an identifier, its more of the lackluster use of my money in a way that to begin with is illegal, and second of all is not handled properly or for its intended usage. Social security should pay twice what it does now. But I am sure its probably the way politicians get thier extra funds for fun.

on the English imigrants ? history says it was Spanish , English after we wopped the Spanish ass in 1805,
a little known fact English was the winner of language in America by one vote , German lost out by that one vote ,
Moving on
Mudmance 's post on I am still trying to follow . either way folk moved to America for a easier life ,
nobody moves continents for a challenge IMO, if that was the case I would emigrate to the South pole ,
the collective bit ? show me a tribe that went it alone, and succeded ? , man is a group tribe for good reasons ,