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[resijs]

When Over Clocking at all, temperature is a big problem.

Well, what if I tried overclocking a Celeron 1.4ghrz to make it like a 1.5 or 1.6, with some standard old fan with heat sink, would that pose a problem for me, or will I need some supped up cooling system that makes my computer like, -3 C when I leave it on standby with the fans still running?


Thanks.

[xs1]

OCing a celery =

But when OCing even .1 you'll need to upgrade the cooling.. THe cooling that came with the system is made to run with the current speed.. You increase the speed, youll need to increase the cooling.

[organ_shifter]

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When Over Clocking at all, temperature is a big problem.

Well, what if I tried overclocking a Celeron 1.4ghrz to make it like a 1.5 or 1.6, with some standard old fan with heat sink, would that pose a problem for me, or will I need some supped up cooling system that makes my computer like, -3 C when I leave it on standby with the fans still running?

Thanks.

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You increase the speed, youll need to increase the cooling.

Yep, you will definitely need to look into purchasing better cooling & memory. Yes, memory plays an important roll in ocing. If you don't have quality sticks of ram, your overclocking will be cut short with constant rebooting at random. The higher you raise the FSB, the faster the memory will operate, and the higher the voltage will need to be for the memory to run at that speed. If the memory's latency is average (3-3-3-6), you'll run into problems. Latency values of 2-2-2-5 on name brand memory is what you need. Processor voltage may also need an increase to function properly at that speed.

Note: If you set the FSB too high and exit the bios, the system might not start as it won't comply with the settings. You will need to learn about clearing you cmos through the specified jumper. Your motherboard's manual will help you find this. If you don't have the manual, you should be able to download it from the manufacturer's website. Get familiar with your mainboard before ocing. Read reviews/ratings on it and see what kind of scores it received in the overclocking catagory in combination with your processor. You bios might not even support alot of key features that are essential to completing a successful overclock.

Hope this information helped you.

[Buzz]

Some motherboards are jumperless and have settings designed for overclocking.  Asus motherboards for example, are great for overclocking.  COOLING THE CPU, MOTHERBOARD, CHIPSET AND MEMORY ARE VERY IMPORTANT!  One other thing that can cause unknown reboots....if your power supply can't give enough voltage to support the demands of overclocking....cheap power supplies should be banned.  I have seen several nice systems burned up by cheap power supplies that don't have protection circuitry built into them.  You get what you pay for.....check out my rig below in the attached file.....

Buzz

[resijs]

Yup, that was what I was wondering about, thanks... But how much more cooling will I need? a $1.00 case fan and another $1.00 cpu fan upgrade? 

[xs1]

◄- Newegg -►

GL not burning up your system

[Buzz]

 It depends on what your overclocking....I have a P4  (socket 755) 3.0 GHz Prescott......the cooler I choose was a Coolermaster Hyper 48.....cost about $43.99 on-line. I have about $25-$30 worth of high CFM case fans and  Nexus 205B 4 fan controller to keep it quiet when under normal usage ( fans turned down) or when the processor is cooking I can turn it up....

MY idle normal CPU Temp: 31-32 degrees C........87-89 degrees F
My normal Motherboard Temp: 28-29 degrees C......82-84 degrees F

My system is fast and cool, the cooler you can run it the longer things will last, especially under the stresses that overclocking can do to components that are not cooled properly.

I have my 3.0GHz running 3.6 Ghz with a front side buss 900Mhz and Memory clocked to 1074MHz!  under these conditions my system runs only (43-48 C) 110-120 degrees F!!. 

Buzz

[resijs]

Wow, that's amazing!

[Buzz]

If you go to the above post you can get a list of components and a picture of my current rig......everything you see listed was purchased on-line from Zipzoomfly.com, Newegg.com, Directron.com......everything bought from zipzoomfly has second day free FedEx shipping!  Cost of the rig with new OS included $1,400.00-$1,500.00  Well worth it!!

Buzz 

[lorne]

Try the OC before you run out and by a new heatsink and fan for that celery. As long as you don't up the Vcore you won't have much xtra heat at all. Be surprised at the gains you get sometimes without having to up the Vcore.

My P3 550 (Coppermine) i have at 825 or 850 MHz can't remember exactly been awhile) and its temps are normal cause i didn't have to touch the vcore. It has been crunching for the last year 100% stable.

[organ_shifter]

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Some motherboards are jumperless and have settings designed for overclocking. Asus motherboards for example, are great for overclocking. COOLING THE CPU, MOTHERBOARD, CHIPSET AND MEMORY ARE VERY IMPORTANT! One other thing that can cause unknown reboots....if your power supply can't give enough voltage to support the demands of overclocking....

Yep Buzz, your're right, lots of MB's are jumperless now days (well, near jumperless). Clearing the cmos has always been done with a jumper, along with basic functions like switching your audio between front & rear panels.

ASUS motherboards are ok for ocing, but the bios on their boards are not that oc friendly. The boards cut out at moderate oc's (like 230 FSB - AMD Athlon 64 Socket 754 Motherboard Roundup). ASUS boards are one of the best at factory speeds and are really hard to beat.

Asus is one of the more prestigious brands, with a large group of loyal followers. The price might be a bit higher, but for your money get a very feature rich, robust - and often overclockable - motherboard. The overclocking community is not their primary market, which is why their bios and tools are set for user friendliness, not overclocking. Generally their motherboards are tweaked right out of the box, which is great for people wanting the most out of their computer, but don't want to mess around with the settings. Mostly this doesn't leave much headroom for overclocking though.

If you really want to oc, nothing comes close to a DFI board. They are the most feature rich boards on the planet. No other board has come close to beating them in ocing, especially if you have a 64 Bit processor which eliminates the need of a Front Side Bus (FSB). (DFI LANParty UT nF3-250Gb: Overclocker's Dream)

DFI (Design For Innovation) surprised the overclocking community by building one of the best overclocking NF2 motherboards, pushing Abit's NF7-S from the throne. Overclocking the NF3 chipset has proven to be easier, but no NF3 250Gb motherboard has proven to be a definite winner. The DFI NF3 250Gb continues this trend and delivers excellent overclockability once more, while keeping this motherboard interesting feature and price wise too. The big drawback is the time it took DFI to deliver this motherboard to the masses.

Abit boards are the 2nd best overclocking wise.

Your power supply is very important when ocing. 400 watts is normally enough to get the job done. 500 watts or better will give you more stability (power wise). 


My Rig & Temps - Built from the ground up:

Windows XP (Same copy since August 2001  )

AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor 3700+ ClawHammer (1MB L2 Cache) (purchased January 2005 $314.00 - IO Software Local Store)

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb (purchased Febuary 2005 $107.00 - GameVE Online)

ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB (purchased January 2003 $297.00 - Forgot the online store  Time for another card.)

Kingston Technology 512MB x 2 Memory (purchased January 2004 $80.00 - IO Software Local Store - Need better memory)

Lite-On (DVD/CD-RW Combo) SOHC - 5232K (Purchased Febuary 2005 $40.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Lite-On (CD-RW) LTR-52327S (Purchased January 2003 $35.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Seagate Barracuda 250GB S-ATA RAID 7200RPM 8MB Cache (Purchased Febuary 2005 $170.00 - IO Software Local Store)

IBM Deskstar 40GB Ultra-ATA 100 7200RPM 2MB Cache (purchased January 2003 $114.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Digital (purchased Febaury 2005 $278.00 - Newegg Online)

Logisys Assembled Arcrylic Clear Case w/5 80mm case fans (purchased Febuary 2005 $68.00 - GameVE)

Thermaltake Sonic Tower Heatpipe Cooling (purchased April 2005 $52.99 - FrozenCPU) Gigantic unit! (Ditched the water cooling  )

Panaflo 120x38mm Ultra High Speed Cooling Fan - 115 CFM (purchased April 2005 $16.99 - FrozenCPU) Mounted on the Sonic Tower.

Logisys Glacier Aluminum & Arcrylic Moded Gaming 500 Watt Power Supply (purchased Febuary 2005 $39.00 - GameVE)

Idle Temps Below: Under full load, temperatures max out around 46 degrees celsius. Overclocked temps (cpu core 1.55v, chipset 1.70v, ram 2.90v) under full load reach around 50 degrees celsius.

[Buzz]

Looking good! 

The only thing I see down the road....as things get faster, we'll all have to go to liquid cooling of some kind because the noise of the fans to cool these monsters is getting pretty close to the tolerance limits.....unless you use headphones, or play loud music/games only!!

Water cooled, maybe nitrogen cooled??!!  anyway they are quieter, but are a hassle. By the way some of the new Asus boards have a bios switch to clear the CMOS, which is nice...no jumper!

Wouldn't it be fun to build a system with a budjet of $10,000.00??

Buzz

[organ_shifter]

I would have a field day building a system with 10 large.   Self control wouldn't be possible.

[lorne]

Hows this for cooling

http://www.newscient...le.ns?id=dn7348

[organ_shifter]

That's serious. I wonder how soon before something like that gets on the public market.  Sounds way better than water.

[cholla]

The liquid metal sounds expensive.Probably not afordable for a home PC.I think a refrigerated window type air conditioner could be modified to run some cold air into the PC case.The only problem I see with this is moisture condensation.Maybe a dehumidifier  for the PC room so the  air circulating  to the AC would have less moisture.
One other idea how about a PC inside of its own freezer(home type freezer self defrosting type) Unless you like cold then a walkin freezer for your PC room.

[lorne]

I actually read another article on that liquid metal cooling (will see if i can find it) and they were expecting it to cost lees than a regular typ WC unit.....will be sweet if thats how it turns out

[cholla]

I don't like the water cooling idea much.I web surfed & found an interesting unit.It didn't have the price though .One of those contact for price.Nothing much covered the condensation effects of cooling the air entering your PC.Thats not a problem with fans but water.refrigerant,or electric(like the ice chests that work off your car battery current & don't use refrigerant)If anyone doesn't think about the moisture in the air look at the puddle your car leaves when you park after running the air conditioner then imagine blowing that into your PC.This unit still looked interesting.
http://www.barrytech...rantchiller.pdf
K-O Concepts
HS- 4 / 115

[resijs]

You know they thought of that, it might use the same stuff in air blowers for your keyboard, haha.

[organ_shifter]

Remember this cooling system? If they only could have made it smaller so you wouldn't have to give up two of your drive bays. It mounts into one bay (lets say at the top), but blocks the bay directly below it. If you mount it in the bottom bay, you block the floppy (which wouldn't be so bad), but I still use mine for certain drivers that come on floppy disks.

Overall, this unit will keep your system temp way down and, in turn, drop the temp on your processor. The idea is there...just needs to be more compact. 

PC AirCon PAC 400