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« on: March 25, 2008, 07:45:58 AM »

For the first time in ages, the sale of new PCs with Windows as a percentage of the PC market is declining sharply. The new winner is the Mac, but, while no one does a good job of tracking the still-new, pre-installed Linux desktop market, it's also clear that Linux is finally making impressive inroads into Windows' once unchallenged market share.

The Mac numbers are especially revealing. NPD, a global market research company, has revealed that Apple's share of the U.S. computer market jumped to 14 percent in February 2008. This was up from 9 percent in February 2007.

In comparison to the overall market, U.S. PC retail shipments only grew 9 percent in units shipped and a mere 5 percent in revenue in the last year. Macs, in the meantime, saw a 60 percent growth in unit sales with an even more impressive 67 percent gain in revenue growth over the same period.

In an investors' research note based on the NPD data, Pacific Crest Securities analyst Andy Hargreaves said that Apple did especially well with its laptops. Better still, though, "MacBook Air sales appear to be additive to total sales, rather than replacing MacBook Pro sales. We believe a new set of corporate customers makes up a meaningful portion of MacBook Air buyers," said Hargreaves.

At the same time, while, to the best of my knowledge, no analysis firm is tracking Linux desktop sales yet, empirical evidence makes it clear that Linux desktops are moving into customers' hands at a quick pace.

For example, according to the Amazon's Bestsellers: The most popular items in Computers and PC Hardware list of March 21, the best-selling computer is not a Mac. It's the Asus Eee PC 4G Surf. Simultaneously, other retailers, such as Best Buy and Sears, are also offering low-priced Linux PCs.

While HP still hesitates from being the last of the major PC vendors to commit to desktop Linux, others are predicting great things from the Linux desktop. Asus, the Taiwanese OEM (original equipment manufacturer) behind the Eee Linux PC line, is predicting that it will sell 2 million Linux PCs in 2008.

I see two strong trends here. On the high end, people are buying Macs instead of Windows PC. On the low end, Linux is eating Windows alive.

Windows finds itself being confined to the middle ground.

This is happening because Vista, SP1 and all, has proven to be a commercial flop. Even Microsoft seems to be backing off Vista and looking ahead to its next operating system, Windows 7.

I've long predicted that Vista would be a failure and that this failure would give the Linux desktop its shot at the big time. That's no longer a prediction.

It's an observation of the facts.

This year is proving to be the year of desktop transformation. I see Macs continuing to gain strength with users who want the best of the best and are willing to pay the price. At the same time, the low end is going to be completely owned by Linux. From there, thanks to PCs and laptops from Dell, Lenovo and, eventually, HP, Linux will start moving up the PC ecosystem. Microsoft will be forced to a very unusual position: a defensive battle.

How Microsoft deals, or fails to deal, with this new challenge will determine if Windows continues to be the dominant desktop operating system. Distracted by its Yahoo buyout plans, its courtroom failures and its leadership changes, Microsoft is in trouble, and that means the other desktop operating systems have their best chance ever to knock Windows off the top of the desktop hill.

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 09:49:39 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 10:24:46 PM »

I realized after making a complete switch to Linux, after finding the best distro, Ubuntu Linux, well, it does not have many applications just like Windows have. There's no good video editor and effects compositing softwares. Well, MAC is normally the answer for that one, but only their products. In Windows, you have variety of choices.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 10:37:08 PM »

I realized after making a complete switch to Linux, after finding the best distro, Ubuntu Linux, well, it does not have many applications just like Windows have. There's no good video editor and effects compositing softwares. Well, MAC is normally the answer for that one, but only their products. In Windows, you have variety of choices.
Maybe search around a bit more, there is so many open source programs out there, if you can't find what your looking for , use google, there out there , believe me.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 01:37:55 AM »

For the first time in ages, the sale of new PCs with Windows as a percentage of the PC market is declining sharply. The new winner is the Mac, but, while no one does a good job of tracking the still-new, pre-installed Linux desktop market, it's also clear that Linux is finally making impressive inroads into Windows' once unchallenged market share.

The Mac numbers are especially revealing. NPD, a global market research company, has revealed that Apple's share of the U.S. computer market jumped to 14 percent in February 2008. This was up from 9 percent in February 2007.

In comparison to the overall market, U.S. PC retail shipments only grew 9 percent in units shipped and a mere 5 percent in revenue in the last year. Macs, in the meantime, saw a 60 percent growth in unit sales with an even more impressive 67 percent gain in revenue growth over the same period.

In an investors' research note based on the NPD data, Pacific Crest Securities analyst Andy Hargreaves said that Apple did especially well with its laptops. Better still, though, "MacBook Air sales appear to be additive to total sales, rather than replacing MacBook Pro sales. We believe a new set of corporate customers makes up a meaningful portion of MacBook Air buyers," said Hargreaves.

At the same time, while, to the best of my knowledge, no analysis firm is tracking Linux desktop sales yet, empirical evidence makes it clear that Linux desktops are moving into customers' hands at a quick pace.

For example, according to the Amazon's Bestsellers: The most popular items in Computers and PC Hardware list of March 21, the best-selling computer is not a Mac. It's the Asus Eee PC 4G Surf. Simultaneously, other retailers, such as Best Buy and Sears, are also offering low-priced Linux PCs.

While HP still hesitates from being the last of the major PC vendors to commit to desktop Linux, others are predicting great things from the Linux desktop. Asus, the Taiwanese OEM (original equipment manufacturer) behind the Eee Linux PC line, is predicting that it will sell 2 million Linux PCs in 2008.

I see two strong trends here. On the high end, people are buying Macs instead of Windows PC. On the low end, Linux is eating Windows alive.

Windows finds itself being confined to the middle ground.

This is happening because Vista, SP1 and all, has proven to be a commercial flop. Even Microsoft seems to be backing off Vista and looking ahead to its next operating system, Windows 7.

I've long predicted that Vista would be a failure and that this failure would give the Linux desktop its shot at the big time. That's no longer a prediction.

It's an observation of the facts.

This year is proving to be the year of desktop transformation. I see Macs continuing to gain strength with users who want the best of the best and are willing to pay the price. At the same time, the low end is going to be completely owned by Linux. From there, thanks to PCs and laptops from Dell, Lenovo and, eventually, HP, Linux will start moving up the PC ecosystem. Microsoft will be forced to a very unusual position: a defensive battle.

How Microsoft deals, or fails to deal, with this new challenge will determine if Windows continues to be the dominant desktop operating system. Distracted by its Yahoo buyout plans, its courtroom failures and its leadership changes, Microsoft is in trouble, and that means the other desktop operating systems have their best chance ever to knock Windows off the top of the desktop hill.

source: desktoplinux.com





Microsoft will always be the winner when it comes to there OS.  Either way you look at it, Linux maybe if your a command line guru sure I'll Vouch for that but untill Linux comes out with auto update utilites like Windows Update has for people that are not so computer savy.  You have to realize that maybe most people here that come to this forum and post are computer geeks but thats just a handfull of the worlds population.  Macs well there just Macs, I have used Macs and yes they have there place whenn it comes to video editing and all the photo stuff but i think why Mac didnt hit it big like MS is because you can only buy Apple parts for the computer and thats it.  Its not like the White box PC or even other systems like Dell, HP/Compaq, and ACER.  Everybody knows with any other systems you can buy pretty much what brand has the best deal and it will work in your system.  Just as long if your not one those that buy a Pentium chip and try to put it in a AMD Mobo.

Bill Gates has more money then Apple will ever have so I dont think that would happen.  I mean look at the Xbox when that first come out and now look at the Xbox 360, far more games then any other system.  Everybody just knew the Xbox was going to die.  Guess what It didn't!!  Oh I dont see Linux and Apple designing software for cars like Microsoft has done or even design software for your own home like Bill Gates showed on the opening C-note at CES 2007.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 05:02:04 AM »

It's not ironic that the Mac's popularity is growing. They come with Windows now!  evil6

"As Computerworld’s Scot Finnie points out, now you can forget about having “to choose either the Mac for its superior design or Windows for its wealth of available software.” That’s because “you can have both operating systems on the same computer — the best of both worlds.” Mac OS X and Windows XP or Windows Vista side by side."


http://www.apple.com/getamac/windows.html
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 07:07:08 AM »

Lil tidbit for those who don't use Linux, Ubuntu , as well as well as Mandriva have an auto update system in place, and working. Fedora  has there's as well.

Those are just the few that I have running as of today, so I can't speak for the rest.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 09:21:53 AM »

Bill Gates has more money then Apple will ever have so I dont think that would happen.  I mean look at the Xbox when that first come out and now look at the Xbox 360, far more games then any other system.  Everybody just knew the Xbox was going to die.  Guess what It didn't!!  Oh I dont see Linux and Apple designing software for cars like Microsoft has done or even design software for your own home like Bill Gates showed on the opening C-note at CES 2007.

Actually if you look at what apple has in the bank, and what Microsoft has in the bank, they aren't really that far off. Most will say MS has only about double what apple has in the bank. But there is one big difference. Apples bank account is growing, Microsoft's is shrinking. If they want to buy yahoo, they are going to have to barrow money for the first time ever.

And actually apple is working with Volkswagen on a full in car dash system.

Macs well there just Macs, I have used Macs and yes they have there place whenn it comes to video editing and all the photo stuff but i think why Mac didnt hit it big like MS is because you can only buy Apple parts for the computer and thats it. 

The reason macs didn't take off in the first place, is because MS has a better product. and when OS X came out, which is far better then windows, didn't catch on because of the power pc processor, (which suck). But once they switched to intel its been nothing but up. People that would have never though would have switched, have switched. And when they realize that just about everything good on windows came from a mac, they probably will never switch back.

Macs are not just good for video, or photo editing, anyone who has really used a mac will tell you that. There isn't anything you can do on a PC, that you can't do on a mac. But there is a lot of stuff you can do on a mac, that you can't do on a pc. And they look better.


 

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 11:53:47 AM »

Aren't MAC's still a lot more difficult to open up and work on than a desktop though?  Shocked
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:07:47 PM »

Aren't MAC's still a lot more difficult to open up and work on than a desktop though?  Shocked

Depends what you get. a mac Pro is super easy to get in too. You just flip a lever on the back. a Macbook is 2 screws to get to the memory, and hard drive. Macbook is about the same. the mac mini takes a minute with a putty knife to open, the hardest one is the imac. Because the display is sitting on top of everything, but they make it really easy to access the ram.

But with a mac you don't really need to go in side it, unless you are upgrading parts. There are no jumpers to change for tweaking because there is no bios, you don't need to move cables around for better air flow. Or anything like that. They are designed to make your life much easier. And allow you to do better work.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2008, 06:45:41 PM »

so a couple of screws on a M/s computers is so hard to do ,
BTW ,http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/hijacking_a_macbook_in_60_seco_1.html


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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2008, 06:50:04 PM »

 
so a couple of screws on a M/s computers is so hard to do ,
BTW ,http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/hijacking_a_macbook_in_60_seco_1.html
Right, if your lazy enough not to set mac address filtering as well as the many other useful tools to prevent these types of intrusions. 

 Use the tools in front of you, and you don't have these issues.
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2008, 06:59:00 PM »

so a couple of screws on a M/s computers is so hard to do ,
BTW ,http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/hijacking_a_macbook_in_60_seco_1.html

Thats a very old hack. And can not be done anymore, unless you are using 10.4.5 or lower.

Macs do have security problems, just as every other OS does. The difference is, you really have to be a idot to get hacked, a virus, or spyware on a mac majority of the time. And with every update that apple pushes out they make the OS much harder.

By the time most security problems are found in OS X, they are for a older versions of the OS that no one uses anymore.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2008, 07:27:12 PM »

Thanks on the head up from the Mac guys , OK as I am sure dlewis23  knows I am a idiot , but I ain't been hacked yet , Hell guys that ain't a invite  Laughing, but my bank has , and not via the internet ,  Twisted Evil,

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2008, 07:42:13 PM »

Thanks on the head up from the Mac guys , OK as I am sure dlewis23  knows I am a idiot , but I ain't been hacked yet , Hell guys that ain't a invite  Laughing, but my bank has , and not via the internet ,  Twisted Evil,

I don't think your an idot. How did you bank get hacked?
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