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What in the world is going on in Russia, and there taking the city of Gori in battle ? Geese, this is not good at all people, not good at all.
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Get ready for WWlll or Armageddon. The sleeping Bear is awakening!
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Quote from: Coknuck on August 11, 2008, 04:31:47 PM
Get ready for WWlll or Armageddon. The sleeping Bear is awakening!
I thought that may be the reaction, getting the UN to get involved would mean the US would lead the way, but it is not the way, we stand up for the Georgian citizens, and there govt. but like this ? Almost sounds planned .
If they hit the pipeline, it's bad, gas prices will sky rocket, and the UN will not intervene, so guess who.
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This is, I am sure, a very tense topic. I am not going to say one way or another, Here are Just a few facts......
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Comparative size of Russian, Georgian armed forces
By The Associated Press – 1 day ago
_ MILITARY SPENDING: Russia's military budget is equivalent to about $40 billion this year, compared to Georgia's $997 million.
_ STRENGTH: Russia has 1.1 million soldiers, Georgia has 37,000.
_ ARSENALS: The Russian armed forces have about 6,000 tanks and some 1,700 combat aircraft. Georgia has 230 tanks and 12 combat aircraft.
he Red Cross has said it is "still too early" to say how many people have been killed or injured by the fighting.
But Dominik Stillhart, the organisation's deputy director of operations, did say that visits to several hospitals in Georgia and on Russian territory had confirmed that "we are dealing with a large number of wounded and dead".
In other developments:
• Georgia's foreign minister is due to meet Nato officials on Tuesday. Russia has also requested an emergency meeting with Nato, saying the organisation should hear Moscow's side before making any decisions
• The US and several European nations have begun to evacuate hundreds of their citizens from Georgia
• Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland issue a joint statement saying that as "once-captive nations of Eastern Europe" they share a "deep concern" about Russia's actions towards Georgia
• The G7 group of developed countries issues a strongly-worded statement calling on Russia to accept the EU-brokered ceasefire agreement
MAYA MAMAJANASHVILI, 25, TRANSLATOR, TBILISI
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Maya says Georgia needs help from the international community
The current situation is some kind a nightmare - we can hardly believe this is happening to us.
The Georgian people are afraid and scared. We see how Russian jets are bombing our cities and we see Georgian soldiers being killed.
I live in Tbilisi and hear the bombs every night and early morning.
Who can I blame for this?
I don't know, both sides I think. They could avoid death and disaster if they could manage to settle the problem through negotiations.
They should sit around the table and could discuss the situation. They have to take one step back from the current situation to avoid war.
It is clear that it is the Ossetians and we Georgians who are the ones who have suffered - not Russia. Moscow doesn't care if cities are left in ruins, they don't care how many soldiers are dead. We hope to have peace soon to have an opportunity to sleep without fear.
We want to address the EU and Nato, please do everything to stop this crazy aggression.
DMITRY PETROV, 51, ARCHITECTUAL ADMINISTRATOR, MOSCOW
The Georgian military has used heavy weapons - namely Grad mortar rockets - not against military targets but to destroy the city of Tskhinval and some Ossetian villages where there were many civilians.
I strongly hope and believe that Russia will use heavy force only against militarily valid targets
In recent times Western powers began to use force without the sanction of the UN, so Russia cannot do anything else but to follow this bad example.
That is why I support what the Russian government is doing at the moment.
I strongly hope and believe that Russia will use heavy force only against militarily valid targets and will avoid the civilian deaths at all costs.
It is very painful to see our Georgian brothers and sisters suffer from Russian military action. But there is no other choice.
My wife is Ossetian and comes from Georgia. She also has relatives in South Ossetia. When Georgia attacked Tskhinvali her cousin was amongst the many who lost their homes and were forced to hide in the basement of the ruined building as troops entered the town.
They were trapped there until the Russian forces entered the town. Some people who stayed in the same basement were wounded and have died before the medical assistance came.
I understand that Georgia has historical reasons to blame Russia for their problems. But the Ossetian minority has suffered more in this case and have the right to ask Russia to protect them. We are guilty of having not guaranteed the peace before.
MIKHEIL SUKHITASHVILI, 20, STUDENT, TBILISI
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Mikheil says the real war is between Georgia and Russia
I hear the Russian jets flying over and I worry about my family.
We are just a small country, and Russia is a great super power. Why are they bombing so far outside South Ossetia?
As a young person I am also an army reservist. I was in Gori for a couple of days. There was a great deal of destruction in the town. One of my main roles was try and calm down those who were panicking in the face of the destruction.
I think the Russian government and the Ossetian separatists are to blame for the current action.
Our government did everything not to respond to shooting from separatists.
Equally, we don't have anything against the ordinary Ossetians. There are many Ossestians in the capital, for example, and they live peacefully with Georgians.
The current war is not a battle between Georgia and Ossetia - it is a battle between Georgia and Russia. We cannot face down a super power, so we need international help.
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There is no way we need to be involved in this in any way other than peace keeping talks, this is very serious, and could get much more serious.
The world is once again being provoked, taunted, and tested.
The UN needs to simply get as much talked out as possible.
Personally, I see this as a strategic move on the russians side, stemming from the years before the US involvement in Iraq, that IS where all the large ballistics were taken, as the US waited to invade Iraq, and we knew it.
Iran is in league with the russians on this one, there irritated about the missile defense systems that are being placed around the world to assure the existence of Israel.
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Yea, it's gonna be Russia, Iran, and North Korea against the rest of the world. The times they are a changing. I personally feel this is just one more step to armageddon, just as Richard was saying. The end of the world is nigh, better have your heart in the right place.
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Well I'm not subscribing to the whole end of the world thing, not quite yet, hell, I still have quite a few years to finish payin off my house.
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lmao. So true. Although a few bombs hit it you won't have to worry much about that. Sorry just kidding. I really don't think this skirmish is going to escalate that far into the rest of the world. It all is building up to something though, and I am sure we are not going to like what that something is. All the same, I have my Mossberg 12 gauge, Savage .30-06, and Glock .357 ready and am ready to head into the woods and defend my country from the commie ba**ard*.
Kinda like Red Dawn, lol.
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Honestly I hope it draws fire away from the war in Iraq for a while.
Its like my wife tries to get me involved in my mom and step dads situation. I tell her to mind her own business. That her own is not so roay, and as a kid I was taught to not throw rocks at glass houses if I lived in one. Let them go, its really not our usiness. If others had done that that did not want to really get involved in Iraq, like france, we would not be looking the way we do worldwide now. Georgia maybe should have tried more politics before firing.
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Well I hope that Georgia did not go and shoot their mouths off thinking we would just step in and play right off the bat. Where were their minds when this started. They had no chance anyway. Be like Castroand Cuba, really thinking we could not take his country if we really wanted to just snuff it out. Other than ties to Russia, they are nothing.
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Quote from: AlucardHS on August 11, 2008, 09:28:33 PM
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how come we have 2 polls going for this?? which one should i vote??
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LOL< I voted both. Not sure how it happened. ONe ended up in the news.
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yes. i think USA needs to help the georgians defending their country and stop the atrocities of the russians. many civillian lives are wasted because of this nonsense agression of russia against a small country. thats unacceptable. i am not an american but if the situation required me to volunteer to stop them, i will volunteer in the US Armed Forces and wish to be deployed immediately to fight alongside with the georgians
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spunky05, Welcome to the forum!
MammaT, TLDR = Too Long; Don't Read
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k...well i'm gonna attempt to merge these topics again...
and i deleted that post...alucard...not necessary...if u didn't read it then move on to the next topic that u wanna read...and don't post in the one that you didn't read just to boost ur post count...
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those who want peace shall be prepared for war - i forgot who said this but i think he is right. whats the use of negotiations, treaties if russia is on the process of invading georgia? who knows, now russia only wants georgia, tommorow the rest of the world. it happened before its not impossible, back in 1939. poland, sudetenland, czechoslovakia then most of europe. manchuria, mainland china, then almost all asia. my grannies suffered at that time, i dont want that to happen to me or my children, my wife, my parents. we need someone, somebody, something to stop this russian nonsense agression.
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i wanted both one and two...it's what the US does...
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Georgia Assents to E.U.-Brokered Cease-fire
Russia Pledges To 'Destroy' Resistance
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI, Associated Press | August 12, 2008
TBILISI, Georgia — Declaring "the aggressor has been punished," the Kremlin ordered a halt today to Russia's devastating assault on Georgia — five days of air and ground attacks that left homes in smoldering ruins and uprooted 100,000 people.
Russian soldiers on top of an APC pass by a burning house on the way to Tskhinvali, capital of Georgian breakaway enclave of South Ossetia yesterday.
Georgia said the bombs and shells were still coming hours after the cease-fire was declared, and its President Saakashvili said Russia's aim all along was not to gain control of two disputed provinces but to "destroy" the smaller nation, a former Soviet state and current U.S. ally.
President Medvedev of Russia, speaking in Moscow, said Georgia had paid enough for its attack on South Ossetia, a separatist region along the Russian border with close ties to Russia.
"The aggressor has been punished and suffered very significant losses. Its military has been disorganized," Mr. Medvedev said.
Still, the president ordered his defense minister at a televised Kremlin meeting: "If there are any emerging hotbeds of resistance or any aggressive actions, you should take steps to destroy them."
Hours later, Mr. Saakashvili told reporters that he accepted the cease-fire plan negotiated by President Sarkozy of France.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, were believed to have died since Georgia launched its crackdown on South Ossetia on Thursday, drawing the punishing response from its much larger northern neighbor. A Russian estimate put the figure at 2,000 killed.
There was evidence Russian forces were attacking Georgian targets within hours of Medvedev's televised order, if not after.
An Associated Press reporter saw 135 Russian military vehicles headed toward the Kodori Gorge, the last Russian stronghold in Abkhazia.
Georgian officials said Russia was attacking their troops in the gorge, but a commander in Abkhazia said only local forces, not Russian ones, were involved in push the Georgians out of the region.
The commander, Major General Anatoly Zaitsev, said the Russian-backed separatist forces in Abkhazia had driven Georgian troops out of their last stronghold in the region after days of air and artillery strikes.
And hours before Mr. Medvedev's order, Russian jets bombed the crossroads city of Gori, near South Ossetia. The post office and university there were burning, but the city was all but deserted after most remaining residents and Georgian soldiers fled.
Mr. Saakashvili spoke before thousands at a square in the capital of Tbilisi, red and white Georgian flags fluttering in the crowd, said the Russian invasion was not about the two disputed provinces.
"They just don't want freedom, and that's why they want to stamp on Georgia and destroy it," he declared.
Russia accused Georgia of killing more than 2,000 people, mostly civilians, in the separatist province of South Ossetia. The claim couldn't be independently confirmed, but witnesses who fled the area over the weekend said hundreds had died.
The overall death toll was expected to rise because large areas of Georgia were still too dangerous for journalists to enter and see the true scope of the damage.
The first relief flight from the U.N. refugee agency arrived in Georgia as the number of people uprooted by the conflict neared 100,000. Thousands streamed into the capital.
Those left behind in devastated regions of Georgia cowered in rat-infested cellars or wandered nearly deserted cities.
In Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian provincial capital now under Russian control, the body of a Georgian soldier lay in the street along with debris as separatist fighters launched rockets at a Georgian plane soaring overhead.
A tour by AP journalists found the heaviest damage around the government center. Near the city center, pieces of tanks lay near a bomb crater. The turret of one tank was blown into the front of the printing school across the street. A severed foot lay on the sidewalk nearby. Several residential areas seemed to have little damage beyond shattered windows.
A poster hanging nearby showed the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, and the words "Say yes to peace and stability." Broken glass and other debris littered the ground.
Besides the dead, tens of thousands of terrified people have fled the fighting — South Ossetians north to Russia, and Georgians east toward the capital of Tbilisi and west to the country's Black Sea coast.
Among those left behind was 70-year-old Vahktang Chkekvadze, a Georgian villager living in Ruisi who was picking away what was left of a window frame torn by an explosion.
"I always hide in the basement," he said, used to living in a conflict zone. "But this time the explosion came so abruptly, I don't remember what happened afterward."
Two men and a woman in the village, in undisputed Georgian territory just outside South Ossetia, were killed just half an hour before Medvedev went on television to announce the pause in fighting.
Amid the suggestions the military action was cooling down, the Russia-Georgia dispute reached the international courts, with the Georgian security council saying it had sued for ethnic cleansing. Earlier the Russians accused the Georgians of genocide.
And the conflict — and its Cold War echoes — continued to play out on the international stage. The leaders of five former Soviet bloc states spoke out against Russian domination at a rally in Tbilisi.
"Our neighbor thinks it can fight us. We are telling it no," President Lech Kaczynski of Poland, who was joined by the leaders of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Ukraine at the rally, said. Kaczynski says Russia wanted a return to "old times.
The Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, told CNN his country is seeking details on what started the fighting.
"We do not want to believe that the United States has given a green light to this adventurous act," he said. "But our American colleagues are telling us that they're investigating now what may have happened in the channels of communication for Mr. Saakashvili to have behaved in such a reckless manner."
President Bush, one day earlier, had called the Russian invasion unacceptable, and today the Russian president assailed the West for supporting Georgia. "International law doesn't envision double standards," Mr. Medvedev said.
American officials were focused on confirming a cease-fire and attending to Georgia's urgent humanitarian needs.
"The Russians need to stop their military operations as they have apparently said that they will, but those military operations really do now need to stop because calm needs to be restored," Secretary of State Rice said.
Georgia, which is pushing for NATO membership, borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.
South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s. Both separatist provinces are backed by Russia, which appears open to absorbing them.
Mr. Medvedev said Georgia must allow the provinces to decide whether they want to remain part of Russia.
"Ossetians and Abkhaz must respond to that question taking their history into account, including what happened in the past few days," Mr. Medvedev said grimly.
Mr. Medvedev said Russian peacekeepers would stay in both provinces, even as Mr. Saakashvili said his government will officially designate them as occupying forces.
In Tbilisi, the American Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Matthew Bryza, declined to say whether America would provide military support if Russia expands its assault.
Georgia sits on a strategic oil pipeline carrying Caspian crude to Western markets and bypassing Russia. The British oil company BP shut down one of three Georgian pipelines, saying it was a precaution.
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those russkies are hiding their true motives. this is not a defensive move. this is an agression! those seperatist from south ossetia and abkhazia are the starter of this unrest in georgia.
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Well it looks like George is stepping up to bat. (AGAIN )
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CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush warned Russia on Saturday against trying to pry loose two separatist regions in Georgia and said Moscow must end military operations in the West-leaning democracy that once was part of the Soviet empire.
Bush told reporters at his Texas ranch that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's signing of a cease-fire plan with Georgia was "a hopeful step." But Russia's vision of Georgia without the provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia was a nonstarter, the president said.
"These regions are a part of Georgia and the international community has repeatedly made clear that they will remain so," said Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at his side. "There's no room for debate on this matter."
The long-simmering dispute over those breakaway areas turned to war this month after Georgia launched a massive barrage to try to take control of South Ossetia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed the Georgian forces and drove deep into its neighbor.
Russia's attack has caused serious strains in relations with the West and heightened fears in the young democracies of Eastern Europe.
Bush discussed the situation for nearly an hour with Rice, who arrived at the ranch around 5:30 a.m. local time from a quick trip to Georgia. They were joined via secured videoconference from Washington by other members of Bush's national security team, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and national security adviser Stephen Hadley. Bush also spoke to Georgian President Mikhail Saakshvili, reiterating U.S. support.
The Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, said this past week that Georgia could "forget about" getting back South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which sympathize with Moscow. Medvedev recently met at the Kremlin with leaders from those regions, raising the prospect Russia could absorb them.
Bush countered that Georgia's borders need to be respected. He said the U.N. Security Council had passed numerous resolutions based on the premise that South Ossetia and Abkhazia remain within Georgia and that international negotiations seek to resolve conflicts in those areas. "Russia itself has endorsed these resolutions," Bush said.
The chilling of relations between Washington and Moscow comes as the U.S. is sealing the deal on a missile shield in Europe — an issue already unraveling ties between the two former Cold War foes. Poland and the U.S. signed an agreement Thursday for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the U.S. says is aimed at blocking attacks by adversaries such as Iran. The missile deal awaits approval by Poland's parliament and signing by Rice during a future visit to Warsaw, possibly in the week ahead.
Moscow feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force. A Russian general was quoted by Interfax News Agency on Friday as saying that by deploying the system, Poland is "exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent."
Keeping up the pressure on Russia, Rice plans to go to Belgium this coming week for meetings with the foreign ministers of NATO allies and European Union officials to underscore support for Georgia. Bush, who discussed Georgia in calls Saturday to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Latvia President Valdis Zatlers, is expected to continue his telephone diplomacy while on vacation.
At the request of Saakshvili, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., scheduled a trip to Georgia this weekend for meetings with government officials as well as citizens forced to flee their homes.
Rice says the time had come to talk about the consequences Russia should suffer as a result of its actions in Georgia, yet she declined to possible repercussions it could face.
At the end, perhaps the only thing Russia will have proved is that "they can use their overwhelming regional military power to beat up on a small neighbor," she said.
"I don't think that's actually a very good place from which to proceed on an argument that Russia ought to be considered a responsible member of the international system."
When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia in the 1960s, it occupied the capital, overthrew the government and paid no consequence because it did not care about its international standing, Rice said. "That's not Russia of 2008," she said, adding that Medvedev recently outlined a forward-looking strategy for Russia and its further integration into the international economy. "That's at stake."
The cease-fire deal, which Saakshvili signed Friday after lengthy talks with Rice, calls for both Russian and Georgian forces to pull back to positions they held before fighting erupted Aug. 8.
Russian forces withdrew Saturday from the center of a town not far from Tbilisi, the capital. But Lavrov suggested there would be no immediate broader withdrawal. Lavrov said Russia would strengthen its peacekeeping contingent in South Ossetia, and that afterward, Russian forces sent in to handle the conflict would be withdrawn.
Asked how much time that would take, he responded: "As much as is needed."
Rice bristled at this, saying that the text of the cease-fire agreement, negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, the current leader of the European Union, outlined a very limited mandate only for Russian peacekeepers who were in Georgia at the time hostilities escalated. She said the agreement specifies that these initial peacekeepers can have limited patrols in a prescribed area within the conflict zone and would not be allowed to go into Georgian urban areas or tie up a cross-country highway.
According to Rice, Medvedev told Sarkozy that the minute the Georgian president signed the cease-fire agreement, Russian forces would begin to withdraw.
"So, from my point of view — and I am in contact with the French — the Russians are perhaps already not honoring their word," Rice said.
But she added that now that the Russian president had signed it too, she expects Russian forces to withdraw expeditiously.
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