your analysis confirmed my beliefs. It'll be awhile before Havasu's infrastructure is upgraded. That said, there isn't anything Suddenlink (or any one) can do. I'm not sure what areas Comcast services; I know they are on a long list that doesn't service LHC. No option but Suddenlink; unless you go with Frontier and get a 7.0 Mbps DSL connection that costs just as much. Thanks for the response. What part of Phoenix? I spent 10 years in Mesa (82-92) and built pools all over the valley. Been back a couple of times and am amazed at the continued growth. When I was there both Ahwatukee and Fountain Hills were basically just ideas/dreams of developers. Thanks again, not only for the reply - also for the great site you maintain.