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I did the All service ports & the common ports test.Complete stealth that's how it tested a while back.I use Outpost firewall.I'm not worried about leaving the IP address on my screen shot since with dial-up it changes every time.But those with the permanant IP should make sure to remove it before posting a screenshot.

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GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2006-07-15 at 06:32:33

Results from scan of ports: 0-1055

    0 Ports Open

    0 Ports Closed

1056 Ports Stealth

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1056 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH,

                  - NO unsolicited packets were received,

                  - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received.

Norton AV and Linksys WRT54G Router

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all it does is spam my routers logfile.

and the blurb it sends out if you have figured out how to tell the router to block icmp traffic is nothing but drivel aimed at geeks that need some reassurance that what they are doing is actually useful.

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GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2006-07-15 at 11:22:06

Results from scan of ports: 0-1055

    0 Ports Open

    0 Ports Closed

1056 Ports Stealth

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1056 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

looks good

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i posed this along time ago. http://www.testmy.net/forum/index.php?topic=12835.0

all it does is spam my routers logfile.

and the blurb it sends out if you have figured out how to tell the router to block icmp traffic is nothing but drivel aimed at geeks that need some reassurance that what they are doing is actually useful.

dont know why that is doing that to you, doesnt happen to me or any computer that ive tested it on. this is actually the best firewall test on the internet.

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i posed this along time ago. http://www.testmy.net/forum/index.php?topic=12835.0

dont know why that is doing that to you, doesnt happen to me or any computer that ive tested it on. this is actually the best firewall test on the internet.

I know you did when I went to reserect it, it said it was over 60 days old and to start a new one.

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I know you did when I went to reserect it, it said it was over 60 days old and to start a new one.

yeah i forgot about that 60day thing. its cool, i needed to test it again.

no this is a secure PC, no responce from nothing. it wont even allow it to finsh the test.  :haha:

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I use ZoneAlarm Pro 6.5.722.000 and here my results:

GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2006-07-15 at 15:21:53

Results from scan of ports: 0-1055

    0 Ports Open

    0 Ports Closed

1056 Ports Stealth

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1056 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH,

                  - NO unsolicited packets were received,

                  - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received.

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0 Ports Open

    0 Ports Closed

1056 Ports Stealth

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1056 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH,

                  - NO unsolicited packets were received,

                  - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received.

--------------------------------------------------------------

I am using Sunbelt Kerio firewall free version

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I am using F-Secure

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GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2006-07-15 at 16:14:19

Results from scan of ports: 0-1055

    0 Ports Open

    0 Ports Closed

1056 Ports Stealth

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1056 Ports Tested

ALL PORTS tested were found to be: STEALTH.

TruStealth: PASSED - ALL tested ports were STEALTH,

                  - NO unsolicited packets were received,

                  - NO Ping reply (ICMP Echo) was received.

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I Dont evebn have a firewal and all my ports are stelth except for 21 and 80 for obious reasons as i run ftp and webservers.

as long as u close all the ports on our router exept for port 80 and 81 you'll b ok

hey would it help if i change my frtp or webserver to listen in on a diffrent port not the stander 21 and 80

my friend has it on 568

a random number he came up with

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  That is kind of what I am asking. I have a httpd server and ftp server running on my pc, just because those ports are open is that bad? I mean I have zonealarm pro but some of my ports were open like mail and ftp web server ports. Anyway is that bad I wish they had a test to tell you more then there open because zonealarm will block all unknown thing I think on that port. So it would be cool if they had a test for that like for servers.

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  That is kind of what I am asking. I have a httpd server and ftp server running on my pc, just because those ports are open is that bad? I mean I have zonealarm pro but some of my ports were open like mail and ftp web server ports. Anyway is that bad I wish they had a test to tell you more then there open because zonealarm will block all unknown thing I think on that port. So it would be cool if they had a test for that like for servers.

i think that test is just to warn ppl

hey did u accept that or did a hacker open that port up??

if u close port 21 and 80

no more webserves

i once saw a computer under 5 rouuters cause the guy had so many commps he wanted all of them hock up together

it was a nightmare opening up ports to allow file transfers between them

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Just a few test I have run in the past ,

https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

http://scan.sygatetech.com/

http://onlinecheck.emsisoft.com/en/

http://www.popuptest.com/

http://housecall60.trendmicro.com/en/start_corp.asp

all  OK , I am using Sygate 5.5 free.

for the past few years with no problems, I have turned Xp firewall off, as I have been lead to believe it was only a inbound firewall ?, no program or updater has auto permision to access the web without permision, apart from mail and browser

well it works for me  :D          so far  :shrug:

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