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The Instinct is by far the best phone on sprint. If I was on sprint, that the one I would go with. Its no iPhone, but its the best alternative so far.

I would defiantly go to a store and test it out first, because going to something where its 100% touch is quite a bit different. The biggest complaints ive heard with it so far, are the screen is hard to use at times because its plastic so its sometimes hard to use, and the browser is not very great, other then that overall its a good phone.

Keep in mind tho you have to get one of there unlimited data plans when that phone and they start at $69.99 a month.

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Alright I was also debating on switching to verizon. What do you guys think of those phones?

The new Dare?

or the Voyager?

or is it not even worth switching...

because I'm going to have to pay about 350 bucks for the instinct. I figure I'll just switch and get the introductory phone prices at verizon.

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Alright I was also debating on switching to verizon. What do you guys think of those phones?

The new Dare?

or the Voyager?

or is it not even worth switching...

because I'm going to have to pay about 350 bucks for the instinct. I figure I'll just switch and get the introductory phone prices at verizon.

The dare, and voyager both really suck. The dare is better then the voyager but not by much.

here is a good comparison chart http://gizmodo.com/5017957/iphone-clone-battlemodo-which-one-is-the-iphoniest the dare is not on there because its a bit newer

If you want to be using this phone for browsing, email, and music keep in mind that all of them are pretty damn bad.

As for switching I really don't know if it would be good or bad, Ive talked to people that have had good experience with verizon, and then others who have had a total nightmare with them, I would ask some people around you what they think about it.

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it solely depends on what you want from a phone. do you want a second computer where you can customize it on the fly. or just a set os no customization.

voyager is old but a good stable phone from what i hear.

the dare is actually a good phone but no one has cracked into that OS if you want to customize it.

Me personally im going to wait till Nov to get the HTC Touch Pro:

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gonna have a lot of fun with this one!

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well what if i just went for the Iphone?

how much would the price be if I signed up for at&t as a new customer?

$199 for the phone + activation fee (what ever the hell everyone is charging now) + $69.99 a month for the service

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it solely depends on what you want from a phone. do you want a second computer where you can customize it on the fly. or just a set os no customization.

voyager is old but a good stable phone from what i hear.

the dare is actually a good phone but no one has cracked into that OS if you want to customize it.

Me personally im going to wait till Nov to get the HTC Touch Pro:

gonna have a lot of fun with this one!

I like the HTC diamond but I can't stand the windows mobile + there Touch flow interface

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Im gonna let my friend post this on my account seeing how he knows more on this topic then i do !

I have to make this post in haste so bear with me. I think the best

advise of the topic is given

Go for the one you want the best, that's the only advice I can

give.

because the discussion of phones are subjective in that what defines

what is best. Is it a promotional campaign or is it actually pound for

pound phone? I can only give my beliefs for a few things. I am a

consultant from verizon wireless and I have a pretty lengthy knowledge

of both sides of the spectrum; from non smart phones, to smart phones

and the iphone. First, I think the samsung instinct is actually a bad

idea that sprint acquired and spent millions to campaign when they

could've spent the same amount of money for a phone that does so much

more in the samsung i900 (or the samsung omnia) which by far is being

touted as the iphone killer because it has

1. native divx and avi support out of the box

2. 5 mp camera

3. intuitive finger friendly interface not seen by apple or any phone

so this comment

The Instinct is by far the best phone on sprint. If I was on

sprint, that the one I would go with.

I would take with a grain of salt. Speaking from the market of CDMA,

many users that want a comparable power of the iphone with lesser

price would be a windows mobile device. It isn't marketed as well as

it should, but it is stable and much faster than the "soon to be

failed" samsung instinct. That said

Its no iPhone, but its the best alternative so far.

Then what is the iphone. Is the iphone the best phone by far for you?

Again it is a highly subjective issue based on trends and values but I

remember doing something recently - before and after the iphone

release.

I went into at&t with my htc titan (mogul/xv6800) and I wanted to just

see is the iphone better than my device. So I casually walk to the

sales associate for the iphone and I ask him can I see the iphone? He

said sure of course! I began to toy with the iphone and I said I'm not

impressed. The accelerometer is rather slow; the orientation to

portrait to landscape mode takes too long and my phone browser is

immensely faster than safari. He said really? I showed him my phone

and he said oh wow that's the second best phone on the market. I like

the iphone but the only reason why I got it was because our AT&T

didn't have the Tilt (HTC KAISER) in stock. The KAISER is the best

phone on the market.

Just a funny anecdote that happened last month that I find really

amusing regarding the iphone vs. windows mobile, at least in relation

to a user of an iphone and a windows mobile device.

Keep in mind tho you have to get one of there unlimited data

plans when that phone and they start at $69.99 a month

To my knowledge, sprint sero starts at 59.99. Also keep in mind with

sprint, mms is disabled on some phones. Which is a deal breaker for

many.

The dare, and voyager both really suck. The dare is better then

the voyager but not by much.

here is a good comparison chart

http://gizmodo.com/5017957/iphone-clone-battlemodo-which-one-is-the-iphoniest

the dare is not on there because its a bit newer

If you want to be using this phone for browsing, email, and music keep

in mind that all of them are pretty damn bad.

As for switching I really don't know if it would be good or bad, Ive

talked to people that have had good experience with verizon, and then

others who have had a total nightmare with them, I would ask some

people around you what they think about it.

I'd say switch. Verizon has great customer support and good deals on

phones. THey bend over backwards for their customers, and I haven't

seen that by a phone company in a long time. As far as choosing an

iphone goes...I wouldn't. been there, saw that, wasn't impressed for a

variety of reasons. I like that windows mobile keeps the KISS attitude

in regards to phone, yet it also allows for advanced custom functions

that the iphone does not; besides a jail break.

As I said before, an iphone will be fantastic if only...

it rans windows. But that's my opinion :)

I think the iphone was fantastic for 3 days. Wow...just 3 days...

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The accelerometer is rather slow; the orientation to

portrait to landscape mode takes too long and my phone browser is

immensely faster than safari.

I haven't read through the entire thing, saw this and just started laughing. I won't even go into where you said the iPhone would be fantastic if it ran windows because thats just a joke and a insult to all mobile phones. Windows mobile is such crap, everyone at my office has dropped windows mobile and switched to either a BB or iPhone because it has too many problems, and is a pain in the ass to do anything on it.

As for the accelerometer being slow, the iPhone uses a mercury accelerometer which is the best kind you can get, and they are extremely fast, fast enough to use them in a game, and get instant feed back on it from the screen. Just watch super monkey ball for the iPhone below.

I have it on my iPhone and the accelerometer is extremely fast and responsive, and its progressive, the more you tilt it the faster the object goes, you tilt it back hard it slows down real fast.

And safari is fast when you are not on edge, when on wifi or 3G pages load really fast.

I just have to add installing apps are a breeze on the iPhone just a click to install and you are good to go. Updates for apps are really nice too they tell you right away when there is one and ask you right away if you would like to install it.

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I haven't read through the entire thing

my my that's a problem isn't it? I mean you haven't even read through

a thread and making a comment on a post? I know by the time you read

my response that you will probably have read the initial post, but if

you have a discussion with someone, ideally you want to read the

response in full for a variety of reasons

As you may or may not be aware, performing that action leads to a

cognitive break in text and analysis and therefore one tends to create

an incorrect inferrence based on the aspect of cognitive syntax from

not reading words or sentences (two primary important aspects of

reading from a cognitive point of view) in its full makeup. From a

cognitive standpoint, you just did the one thing that makes people

fail in school. Or to put it simply, what you did is just as bad as

someone that goes to a star wars convention, sees the word stars and

says where's leonard nimoy? But I digress on this point

Super monkey ball is actually a very good game. One of my favorites on

playstation or sega dreamcast. However, even though you mention a

great video of super monkey ball on the iphone, there's one large

problem with this as a means of "proof" regarding speed of the

accelerometer

The accelerometer is rather slow; the orientation to

portrait to landscape mode takes too long

Never once did that occur in the video. It was responsive to movements

granted in a programming atmosphere, which I've seen before. A lot of

times. But there was no change in screen orientation from portrait to

landscape. So then I have to wonder, why in the world did you post the

video? Ah I see it was because you assumed I meant the responsiveness

of the accelerometer. Problem is, that was not the point of my

statement. We are referring to speed of orientation from two complete

modes; from portrait to landscape (or vice versa). Mine's can go from

either mode in less than a quarter second in just about ALL of my

applications. From texting to internet browser (either native PIE or

Opera 9 or skyfire or ibis or well you get my point). Can the same be

said about the iphone? In fact no.

From the same anecdote you didn't read, I did in fact change screen

orientation from portrait to landscape. It took 3.25 seconds, in

comparison to .25. That is a drastic difference. But of course, you

never read even my post to form an even good retort. Let me continue.

I won't even go into where you said the iPhone would be

fantastic if it ran windows because thats just a joke and a insult to

all mobile phones

Well based on my experience, I regretfully have to disagree.

Windows mobile is such crap, everyone at my office has dropped

windows mobile and switched to either a BB or iPhone because it has

too many problems, and is a pain in the ass to do anything on

it.

But if that was the case for ALL clients, then the pocket pc market

still wouldn't be thriving as well as it is. Further, developers

wouldn't continue to create titles for WM devices. It is a multi

million dollar industry for a wide variety of reasons. Secondly,

that's fine. People leave windows mobile. Windows mobile takes a

learning curve to get into (of say about less than 5 minutes) -

actually every phone does. However, to switch to a blackberry, I

wouldn't just because blackberry doesn't suit my interests nor does

iphone. The iphone is not a business phone; despite apple taking one

full year to get push to email right and getting a comparable

equivalent to over the air synching. The main issue I have between the

two devices is this

I am stuck with what a company wants me to do when I buy an iphone, or

when I use an iphone. When I have a windows mobile I am stuck with

what I want to do. That's the primary difference above all other

differences.

And safari is fast when you are not on edge, when on wifi or 3G

pages load really fast.

3g? Wow I remember 3g. It is a wonderful blip of speed isn't it? One

problem with 3g though. EVDO Rev A has almost 3x the download and

upload speeds as 3g. But its fast you say? But it is also in the past.

As for finally safari speed, again if I were a browser where my

information is filtered through a 3rd party webserver before entering

my device, my internet page loading would be fast. In fact it is

because skyfire browser and ibsis browser for Windows Mobile devices

does exactly what the iphone safari does and pages load much faster.

But then I wonder would the speeds be exactly the same if one were

using a browser like opera? Point is, in any browser, my Rev A is by

in large much faster (and page rendering is faster). It also gives me

unbelievable options like texting others images from my internet,

COPYING and PASTING from browser to notepad and word. Simple things

that make me go wow, the WM is still in it.

Finally for adding applications not from a jailbreak environment, one

rules risk of bricking your iphone. Never ever have that problem with

a phone. It is download cab and install. Iphone...well connect to ftp

-> ssh -> download -> wait and finally install. Speed my dear, speed.

Also I bet you love not having flv supported websites or

avi/divx/mkv/ogm/wmv support. I have that; what about you? Want to

connect to anything else besides youtube, can you? not likely. But

again its all relative and subjective.

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I enjoyed reading this thread lol....nothing better but a sensible/reasonable debate - s'good!!!

I personally 'test-drove' an iphone as well and I did not enjoy it, but ;) There's this guy that I know who pretty much gets everything Apple and thinks they are 'teh best' - nothing touches it...so when the macbook air came out someone confronted him about it not having an optical drive and he was like..."well no problem apple actually invented this thing like a remote optical drive where you can access another computers drive on the network so see, they thought of everything......"........little did he know that was around for ages lol - just funny....

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The LG Dare for Verizon is really good phone, just the web browsing could be a bit better. The only downside for me personally is that Verizon & Sprint are CDMA, i prefer GSM... But that's going to change for Verizon in a couple of years since they are going LTE(GSM). The iPhone is a sweet looking phone but it has it's good and bad like any other phone, I would consider it breakthrough technology.

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