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I been waching the news and no wonder why terrorists envy America united..... the compassion of the people in this country makes America the greatest country in the world......... i can't say enough as i watch and keep watching what its citizens are doing to help those in need' God Bless America and God Bless  those that make the United States what it is today ...............

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i second that...it's all over the new...the people banning together to do what they can to help...the children even with their little lemonade stands...all for the cause...for the the folks that need it most...some here in phoenix actually have taken in families...

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Altho their are alot of shmucks and fuckoffs in this world, their are a handfull of honestly good folk too. alot of  which are on this website, as well asmy personal close friends. soooo

I'll 3rd that.  <3 america

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While I do love my country. The good ol USA. I have to honestly wonder at times are we any better than those we condemn??  We contine to force our own beliefs on others when I wonder if we even should. We tend to condemn others when our own government does the same things. I have to truly wonder are just "freedom slaves" I just believe its time to back off worry about every one else and get our country back in shape. I fear we were forced by our own government down a road we Will soon regret in a huge way. Did we forget our history? The time we chose to take out another government. We got our butts kicked. Looks like history may repeat itself. Just makes me sick. Not trying to start a flame war. Just my 2 cents is all............

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Here is a email written by Jim who has been dealing first hand with the Hurricane Katrina

I found this in a artical on

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/050906

"In case you are wondering if the reports from the New Orleans area were exaggerated ... Not a chance!

"We (Josh and I) just arrived back from Houston where 8 members of our Civil Air Patrol Squadron (Apollo Composite Squadron based at Georgetown airport -Texas) assisted the multi-agency disaster response team (the first time this has been activated on this scale). Our squadron also provided a HF communications (long distance capable and self-sufficient running off batteries and later a generator) in case it was required.

"The team that we were working with handled incoming aircraft from the New Orleans airport. They were transporting nursing home and hospital patients, as well as seriously injured victims that is some cases were taken from the helicopter to the airlift aircraft. We received some patients that were still wearing wet clothes from being pulled from the water!

"Aircraft were from the Air Force and Coast Guard, and included C-130's and some C-141's (both sizable cargo planes suited for the job).

"The team included Veterans Administration, US Army, US Navy, NASA, US Air Force, Coast Guard, Civil Air Patrol and other civilians. That is quite a feat....

"The team was based at Ellington Field (south of Houston).

"Over 700 patients ranging for critically injured to ambulatory were off loaded and processed from 21 aircraft by the time we left Sunday afternoon, when the team was told to stand down. This was done because other disaster relief cities were getting setup to help in the effort. Aircrews were telling us that they had requested to be sent to Houston due to the quick turn around professionalism of the team at Ellington. I have been involved in several government and military operations in the past and this was by far the BEST run with NO interagency headaches or bickering. Between aircraft there was cleaning restocking and more cleaning to be done plus setting up for the next aircraft.

"Due to the fact that once an aircraft was in the air they could be diverted anywhere that a disaster response team is located, the first thing we said to a victim was 'Welcome to Houston' ... several though they were supposed to be in Atlanta ... but that was a problem with weather and not bad planning.

"We stayed with our patients from the time they arrived through registration, triage, stabilization, and on to get them their 1st meal some had has since before the hurricane. During that time, we heard tales of the last few days particularly from the recently rescued from the water (they ALL considered themselves rescued). Note, as a strict rule we did NOT ask any of the victims what happened to them nor what they had been through. Some were not able to talk at all. Some were taken to the hospital directly from the aircraft ... others to the morgue.

"One man told us he had laid in [an] alley in the same position (legs contorted from his injuries) 'flat on my back watching and waiting to be found by rescuers and hoping that he was not found by the bad people that were raising hell, hurting people and running around stealing ... I am so embarrassed to be from the same place they call home'. He was so glad to be anywhere but there. He told me that the water he got on the plane and the boxed dinner was the first thing he had had since the hurricane.

"One couple that was visiting New Orleans when she was hospitalized for an illness was to be released the day before hurricane. However, she had minor complications and they opted to stay put rather than leave town. After the storm pasted they had to be moved from her room to the inner part of the hospital since their hospital windows were being shot out by gunman ... they were on the eight floor. The bottom floor had many bodies in it as they made their way out of the building ... they said 'not many of them were from injuries from the storm.'

"An elderly woman was asking to be put into a cab to be driven back to her home. She was not very coherent, but was certain that she would be able to get back to her home. She did not want to be anywhere else! Her injuries were particularly troubling since they were from being beaten and not from the storm. She had been sown up with regular sewing thread (not medical grade) by someone who had done a very good job (as in a doctor or nurse).

"There were a great deal of folks that were just sick and old being transported from nursing homes or hospitals.

"One elderly man was being signed in and was asking for his wife ... she had been loaded on a different aircraft and he was not sure if she had even been flown to Houston or not. As a member of our squadron got her name and started searching for her she was wheeled up by his stretcher. Their response was kind of thing that made ALL of the work worthwhile ... and THEN some."

"I want to address one subjected that was brought up by a couple of victims. RACE ... The older man mentioned above found in an alley (mentioned above) said something very interesting on the subject. 'The folks that are saying racism had anything to do with how we were treated or ignored should BE ASHAMED of themselves as THEM are being the RACISTS! I watched as the rescuers tried to do their job and as you folks are doing your jobs ... some of you are brothers here some are Mexican some are Asian a lot are white but you are ALL here helping TOGETHER ..'. . I did not mention but this gentleman is black as were most but not all of the victims we saw. This was an equal opportunity disaster ... it just happened to occur where a large number of the people were black. The inability to get aid to them was due to the daunting task needed to mobilize and support a force needed to do the job. [Emphasis added.]

"To a person there were all very glad to be out and very grateful for all of the workers help ... particularly the they mentioned several time the young kids in uniforms (there were high school kids in Jr ROTC and our cadets age 13 and up). They had just come from the mayhem, danger and lawlessness they were glad to see the kids because they knew that if the kids were there it was safe and controlled environment. In case you are wondering yes we all kept an extra special watch on all the kids to be sure they were as safe as possible ... to the point of having to inform them at the end of shifts that yes that HAD to leave sleep / rest. They wanted to keep working and helping.

"Unlike the dome (Astrodome and Superdome) which is a WHOLE different story and subject.

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While I do love my country. The good ol USA. I have to honestly wonder at times are we any better than those we condemn??  We contine to force our own beliefs on others when I wonder if we even should. We tend to condemn others when our own government does the same things. I have to truly wonder are just "freedom slaves" I just believe its time to back off worry about every one else and get our country back in shape. I fear we were forced by our own government down a road we Will soon regret in a huge way. Did we forget our history? The time we chose to take out another government. We got our butts kicked. Looks like history may repeat itself. Just makes me sick. Not trying to start a flame war. Just my 2 cents is all............

When you are the most powerful nation in the world you must stick up for the little guy. I'm not sure why Bush went into Iraq and don't really care. The people there were tortured, women raped and didn't even have the rights women had here in the 40's. Oh lets not forget the brother of ol Saddam that liked to rape the young school girls... mass graves.... citizens killed for watching a TV show, or speaking... IMO you just cant let that go on. Now I know there are others like that and we haven't helped them but I'm glad the people we have helped have received what they desperately needed. No  matter who is in the white house, dem or repub, they are going to suck and be dishonest. I don't care why we helped them I'm glad we did. I have a love for our troops that cant be described. Respect. I do all I can to support them. THATS who my money goes to (amongst others).  :D

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I agree shug. But the question is should we. Other nations do the same and so do there leaders We leave them be. I guess what I am trying to say yes getting rid of sadam was a good idea. Look at the back lash. The entire country is in a state of unrest. Civil war will forsure be a new part of that country for years to come. The toll on American lives have been bad and will get worse. Its the same question of should we. That is forsure the deep question. Plus there is really no right or wrong answer. We started down that road. Only the man above and the Iraqi people will determine how this all plays out. So the big question is While Yes sadam was one sick sob that needed to be gotten rid of. Did we make the right choice or did we just make things 10 times worse for Iraqi people. Only time will give us that answer.

I just look at all the human horrors in other country's. Africa millions are being killed by there own government. World has turned to crap and seems like all we are doing is being the paper to clean it up. Just my 2 cents.

On a much lighter note. Some in new Orleans are gonna celebrate Mardi Grass on a small scale in there own way......For Give me for all the typos please. Eyes are giving me a huge fit today.

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those who watch idly while others suffer without cause

are no better than those who cause the suffering

Are you one of the Boondock Saints?  jj :D  I agree with you 100%.  The indifference of humanity to act/speak out against wrongdoing is the greatest injustice of all.

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the boondock saints is a movie

its about two brothers who turn vigilante

and start killing the worst criminals they can find

silicone valley is a valley famous for sorta being the birth place to the pc

and it is where a lot of computer related businesses are based

as well as being only a couple of miles from where i live

<<<<<<<<and this says???..."penguin liberation..."...what??

edit...sorry had to point to ur avatar

it says "penguin liberation front"

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God Bless America .I support our troops & put no blame on them for being where they were ordered to go.At least below the Pentagon level.I think the American Revolution generals would have resisted sending troops to a foreign country to fight for anything but America.

How would Americans feel if Europe & China got together decided they didn't like the American leaders & government.Then declared war & their goal was to put in place a government they approved of.I don't know that they could accomplish this But I'm sure there would be Resistance from the American people.The point is Iraqi people are resisting this. For some reason they think they can govern themselves & the way they do that is not the USA's business.Kind of like Americans would in the example I made.911 would have never happened if America had stayed out of the Middle Easts' business & government.Let them govern themselves If their people want change let them fight & die if necessary.This way the will appreciate what they themselves fought for.Some talk about human rights but one of these is to govern themselves & America is violating this by making them adopt a certain form of government.Who appointed us the judge of which human rights it is ok to violate & which aren't.This sometimes requires us to sit idly while others suffer but not without cause.The cause is when they have suffered enough they will fight to change the way they govern themselves.Remember we have no Constitutional mandate to protect any country but America.We have plenty of problems to take care of here before we try to solve other countries problems.Take the slow response of the federal government to Katrina for example.

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Take the slow response of the federal government to Katrina for example.

Give me a break I am so tired of people saying the federal gov. was slow to respond I suppose you think you could have done better? First of all most of those people should have never been there they had time to GET OUT and chose not to sure some couldnt because of health. The other side of the coin is that people that live on flood plains or people that build levies to dry up the land so they can build !! never mind your kind never listen anyway

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a simple answer to all

having the abilty to stop/prevent evil and not doing so

is no less evil than the evil being commited

those who watch idly while others suffer without cause

are no better than those who cause the suffering

:iamwithstupid::icon_thumleft:

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