Thanks, wide open west is what I was looking for. Now I just need to find a map like mudmanc4 displayed, but for Wide Open West's fiber. When I talked with them, they said they won't share a fiber map for security reasons. However I did read an article in the news that they are running fiber in the adjacent city. So, maybe there is hope. I also saw a recent article that AT&T is installing fiber in Detroit now. I guess since Google started, they all have to start. Competition is good...darn that big current merger going on