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Sure, KDE gives people eye candy, and the latest KDE has a look that falls right in line with the 'flat' smooth GUI I give the community credit for sticking with development, why they do I can't imagine. It's quite possible it gives some the feeling they are accomplishing something. Which they are, yet if I set out to create something and stick with it, even though it really does not function, what does this make me? Years, what, fifteen or more? The same thing, good looks, complete trash stability wise. I read recently someone said it outloud and I'll quote " it's not supposed to be stable", sure wish I had a snapshot of my face when I read that one line comment. Priceless. I thought whoa, then I though hmph, well it is always in heavy development, so then again, what does heavy development have to do with not being stable in any sense, for the entirety of it's existence? Nothing. Not even going down the path mentioning placing systemd under KDE. Oo Do you restart that machine constantly for the hell of it? Or are you forced to due to some strange reverberating / self restarting x-server. Though I give credit where credit is due, at least when the x-server crashes, it restarts itself now, that those with little or no knowledge of terminal are not forced to jam down on the power button as if it's some sort of bastardized windows millennium install with an insatiable appetite for rambus. /plasma what? A desktop but not a desktop, yet something that can be used mobile or wait where were w going here? heloo? Android? Heard of it yet? So go develop over there. Hello? A desktop will always be just that, a real life keyboard and a screen. Touch is almost dead for obvious reasons. (not really but going nowhere atm) There was a song that parodies fairly well here " ya gotta keepem' separated" , jingle any jangles there chuckie ? Gnome, what can be said. Stable. Clean, yep, went off the track trying that mobile thing, but stopped before it went full tardaliscious on us all. Fair enough. Here,please allow me, there is one simple word that keeps an end user entranced into the environment in which they begin to feel comfortable, STABILITY, it's not even usability, they will learn and adapt. Get it together, the time of who has the market share is all but finished, everything considered. Settle into what you truly enjoy, developing something that functions, repeatedly, under pressure, without as much as a glitch due to over divulging that ever "must has more stuffs on screen' thing. /back to gnome, as much as it is stable and can be counted on, it's ugly. Hell, XFCE trashes gnome anyhow, lack of plugins however, in time, in time.