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    The "Tea Parties "

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    In reality it should be left to churches and such for real. And many do not "need" in the way it is used  these days anyway. I mean have more kids, just to not have to work, so their daddy or a boyfriend can live with you free of charge also. And who pays for it, everyone even if they do not feel charitable. It should not come from taxes either. And then whine because there is not enough left over for other luxuries? They should not have any anyway. There should be no prize for sitting on ones ass.  :tickedoff:

    My thoughts.  :smiley:

    I agree completely. What are you gonna do to change it?

    The "Tea Parties "

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    [T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.

    James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

    The federal government has no place in charity (welfare).

    The "Tea Parties "

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    o.O

    I have a winner. Here is James Madison's statement on the collection and spending of taxes. I love this:

    There is not a more important and fundamental principle in legislation, than that the ways and means ought always to face the public engagements; that our appropriations should ever go hand in hand with our promises. To say that the United States should be answerable for twenty-five millions of dollars without knowing whether the ways and means can be provided, and without knowing whether those who are to succeed us will think with us on the subject, would be rash and unjustifiable. Sir, in my opinion, it would be hazarding the public faith in a manner contrary to every idea of prudence.

    James Madison, Speech in Congress, April 22, 1790

    AND:

    What is to be the consequence, in case the Congress shall misconstrue this part [the necessary and proper clause] of the Constitution and exercise powers not warranted by its true meaning, I answer the same as if they should misconstrue or enlarge any other power vested in them...the success of the usurpation will depend on the executive and judiciary departments, which are to expound and give effect to the legislative acts; and in a last resort a remedy must be obtained from the people, who can by the elections of more faithful representatives, annul the acts of the usurpers.

    James Madison, Federalist No. 44, January 25, 1788

    The "Tea Parties "

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    Here is another quote by a founding father specifically dealing with the issue of religious freedom:

    It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.

    James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, Circa June 20, 1785

    The "Tea Parties "

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    A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.

    Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

    What did he mean? In my opinion what he meant was as long as we acted with virtue and honor, holding our laws to the highest regard, not giving in when things were hard and carrying the burden for our children: we would be successful as a nation. Once we decided we no longer cared to hold those things in high esteem then we allow any invader, even our own government to take over our lives and tell us how to be moral and what to define virtue by.

    The "Tea Parties "

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    Well here is some more for you madmanc: from the rabble rouser Thomas Paine specifically on the fears of government and what could happen:

    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

    Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

    thoughts from our first President on Foreign Policy:

    'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.

    George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

    Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.

    George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

    But if we are to be told by a foreign Power ... what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have Independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little.

    George Washington, letter to Alexander Hamilton, May 8, 1796

    on foreign trade:

    Harmony, liberal intercourse with all Nations, are recommended by policy, humanity and interest. But even our Commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand: neither seeking nor granting exclusive favours or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of Commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing with Powers so disposed; in order to give trade a stable course.

    George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

    And again on foreign policy:

    My ardent desire is, and my aim has been... to comply strictly with all our engagements foreign and domestic; but to keep the U States free from political connections with every other Country. To see that they may be independent of all, and under the influence of none. In a word, I want an American character, that the powers of Europe may be convinced we act for ourselves and not for others; this, in my judgment, is the only way to be respected abroad and happy at home.

    George Washington, letter to Patrick Henry, October 9, 1775

    And not to bring the wrong topic in here, but just to open some eyes, even George believed that people had a right to worship in whatever why they choose.

    I have often expressed my sentiments, that every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.

    George Washington, letter to the General Committee of the United Baptist Churches in Virginia, May, 1789

    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

    George Washington, letter to the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, August 17, 1790

    Looking into the future:

    It should be the highest ambition of every American to extend his views beyond himself, and to bear in mind that his conduct will not only affect himself, his country, and his immediate posterity; but that its influence may be co-extensive with the world, and stamp political happiness or misery on ages yet unborn.

    George Washington, letter to the Legislature of Pennsylvania, September 5, 1789

    It is apparent that our country has gone way afeild of the intent of the founding fathers and we have not kept to even the outline of what they intended to make happen. Their wishes and desires have been overridden by agenda's of the few against the many who were never informed enough of what we were agreeing to or the repercussions of it.

    The "Tea Parties "

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    Your absolutely right. You do know that you are a potential terrorist if you talk about the constitution or teach it.. Right? No, Im serious.  :uglystupid2: Mad world. Im not saying that nothing good came of the tea parties or that they werent good. Just that they were organized with a purpose in mind by a political few and as far as "grass roots movements" go IMO this wasnt one. 

    Yeah, I heard about that. I also read today that the House has introduced a bill to ban exotic pets. They would have NO imports of pets, between our country from other countries, but get this: you wouldn't be able to buy an indiginous animal of Florida and take it to Iowa where it isn't it's natural habitat.

    I don't think the Tea Parties were sold as much as you thought by the media. There were a lot of them being organized for a month or better, and posted all over the web. The media finally picked it up when they got so BIG.

    And I am also continuing to talk with people about what our constitution means. We have dumbed down education, we stopped teaching the history of America. We stopped teaching the constitution as it was meant to be taught. We allowed social security and welfare. The Washington elite culture are all made up up people who's jobs revolve around the government because their jobs depend on it (including but not limited to the lobbyists). The bigger the government, the more jobs they have. We also allowed the house and senate seats to become full time jobs. That's not what they were supposed to be. It was supposed to be a part time job. All the founding fathers had other vocations and were farmers as well.

    Could you see any of our politicians today doing that? Heck no! John Adams and his wife Abigail were seperated a LOT of their marriage while he worked to make an income, and help build government.

    We're too cheap and lazy to be that way today. 

    The "Tea Parties "

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    That's why I think that the Tea Parties are such a good thing. If you go, you have a chance of educating people on what this country was founded UPON and there are a ton of resources to get their thoughts. You can actually find enough references to see what they meant by parts of the Constitution, and how afraid they were that our government could actually become a beast to abuse us. It has happened slowly over the past 100 years, and it's sad. if we were to retake our country under a true form of the Constitution, and get rid of the crap that prior government agendas brought forth: we would be sitting pretty.

    Im going to be a dad!

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    Oh my just found out im going to be a dad. It my first baby not sure what it is yet. Im 22 she's 24 I am so happy and scared about what to do money wise etc. I am just wondering if you all have any advice on what to do to get prepared for a new dad to be?

    It's so funny that you ask, because I tried very hard to be prepared for my first....

    The truth is: be responsible, watch over them, spend time with them and love them. Everything else is out of your control and the more you enjoy the moments with them, the more memories you will have later. Those are important for both of you.

    Never ever let them think that they are not important, but that doesn't mean you don't discipline them later (after 1 year old). They need to know you care, and you need to love them as much as you can.

    Take every moment of this pregnancy and don't waste it. The wonder of the first child is never repeated. Feel the baby move, be involved in the doctor visits, and her diet. Show how much they mean to you every moment...

    The worst thing that could happen from this? You may not be there tomorrow, but she will know you were there when you could be and will tell the baby and as it grows, how nuch you loved it. Lead by example

    oh, and congrats! You have the world in front of you now :)

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