lorne Posted January 11, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 11, 2004 Pc 3200, DDR 400 it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 11, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 11, 2004 How about RAID 0+1 is it close to the same speed as RAID 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 12, 2004 CID Share Posted January 12, 2004 I have no clue as to raid 0+1, but I DO know that raid 0 is the fastest RAID Array. I'll go scamper off to find out it's details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 12, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 12, 2004 Mort Of course faster is better and that is what the Pimputer is all about so I would go with the RAID 0. Just curious to see how much of a difference ther is I have been looking around to see if i could find anything on the differences in speed, but have come up empty handed. Thanks for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 13, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 what do you guys think of this memory The TwinX1024RE-3200LL is a 1 GByte matched memory pair specifically designed for motherboards supporting dual channels of registered PC3200, such as AMD Athlon TM 64 FX based platforms. Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Registered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 72 -Bit Special Features: Plug-n-Frag Auto-Configuration Warranty: Lifetime COMPARED TO OCZ Enhanced Latency Series Dual Channel Kit 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) ECC Registered DDR PC-3200 Specification Manufacturer: OCZ Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Registered Cas Latency: 2-2-3-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 72-Bit Special Features: Specially Engineered and Optimized for the AMD Athlon64 FX platform COMPARED TO MUSHKIN 184 pin 1GB (512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 LEVEL 2 DUAL PACK-RETAIL Specification Manufacturer: Mushkin Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-2-2 Support Voltage: 2.5V-2.75V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit Warranty: Lifetime Only problem with this one is for best performance you have to manually set cas and voltage. I'll have to see if the K8V Deluxe has those options What is your guys opinions on these 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 13, 2004 CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 I would go with the corsair or the ocz memory. I have never heard of mushkin...so i dont know anything about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 13, 2004 CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 Non-Registered - ecc Ram can obtain higher bus speeds, and I would go with the Mushkin, but the mobo you have in mind only likes ECC Registered, so I'd go with the OCZ due to it's tighter timings. (But you'll want to change your timings anyway cuz that ram is capable of doin better) Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 13, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 Thanks Guys I think I'll go with Corsair, of all the reviews I have read I only seen one bad one on Corsair. SWIMMER http://www.mushkin.com/epages/mushkin.storefront Just in case your curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 13, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 Here is the response i got from OCZ TECH support on whether this memory was compatible with the PiMPUTER OCZ Enhanced Latency Series Dual Channel Kit 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) ECC Registered DDR PC-3200 Specification Manufacturer: OCZ Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Registered Cas Latency: 2-2-3-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 72-Bit Special Features: Specially Engineered and Optimized for the AMD Athlon64 FX platform RESPONSE AMD 64 platform can only use PC3200 non-ECC non-registered or PC3200 non-registered ECC memory. So the item you mentioned is not compatible with your motherboard. If you have any other questions regarding our products, please feel free to let us know. We would be happy to answer them for you. Super fast response from OCZ support by the way Which also eliminates the Corsair The TwinX1024RE-3200LL is a 1 GByte matched memory pair specifically designed for motherboards supporting dual channels of registered PC3200, such as AMD Athlon TM 64 FX based platforms. Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Registered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 72 -Bit Special Features: Plug-n-Frag Auto-Configuration Warranty: Lifetime PiMPUTER Is going to use the Athlon 64 3400+, So this is from the Mushkin is it registered or not Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Just when I think I'm getting things straightened out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 13, 2004 CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 huh... that is messed. Let me look into that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 13, 2004 CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 Ok that could be both a good and bad thing at the same time. It eliminates some bitchin fast ram, but now you have a lot more choices to pick from. For ultimate speed Go with Non-Registered, Non-ECC. Personally, I'd go with 2x Twin/Mos CL2.5 PC3200 512mb. Those babies OC like a mofo; I'm running them at 220 fsb and 11,2,2,2 timings at only 2.8vDimm. Perfect Non-Reg Non-ECC ram which is faster than hell. Only reason I'm usin 11 and not lower is because nForce2 allows a higher bandwidth and speed with an 11 RAS. Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 13, 2004 CID Share Posted January 13, 2004 This is what asus says 3 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max. 3GB un-buffered ECC and non-ECC PC3200/PC2700 / PC2100 DDR SDRAM memory This is what the Asus manual says: The motherboard comes with three Double Data Rate (DDR) Dual Inline Memory Module(DIMM) sockets. These sockets support up to 3GB system memory using 184-pin PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 unbuffered ECC DDR DIMMs and allow up to 5.33GB/s data transfer rate. Crucial 184 Pin 512MB ECC DDR PC-3200 - OEM Specification Manufacturer: Crucial Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: UnbufferedCas Latency: 3 Support Voltage: 2.5V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: 64M x 72 -Bit Warranty: Lifetime Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit Special Features: with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader Warranty: Lifetime This has the same timings as the previous ram that i recommened. However, the only amd processor that can use dual channel memory is the fx-51. That has 128bit memory controller and the 3400+ only has a 64bit one. Meaning, i believe, that you want to buy the biggest chip that you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 14, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 Thanks again for all the help guys So it looks like after all this the FX is the way to go So here it is Specification Model: AMD Athlon 64 FX-51 Core: ClawHammer Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz FSB: Integrated into Chip Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1024K Voltage: 1.5V Process: 0.13Micron Socket: Socket 940 Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+ Packaging: Retail Box MOBO: Supported CPU: Socket 940 Dual/Single AMD Opteron CPU or Single Athlon64 FX CPU Chipset: VIA K8T800 + VT8237 RAM: 4x DIMM for DDR200/266/333/400MHz Max 8GB(See Details) IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices Slots: 1x AGP Pro 8X, 4x PCI 32-bit/33MHz Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,2xCOM,1xLAN,4xUSB2.0(Rear 2) Onboard LAN: Broadcom BCM5705 Gigabit Ethernet Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA 150,RAID 0/1 Form Factor: ATX RAM: The TwinX1024RE-3200LL is a 1 GByte matched memory pair specifically designed for motherboards supporting dual channels of registered PC3200, such as AMD Athlon TM 64 FX based platforms. Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Registered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 72 -Bit Special Features: Plug-n-Frag Auto-Configuration Warranty: Lifetime HDs:x2 Western Digital Raptors 74GB 10,000 RPM SATA RAID 0 Specifications - Capacity: 74GB Average Seek Time: 4.5 ms Buffer: 8MB Rotational Speed: 10000 RPM Interface: Serial ATA Features: High Performance SATA Interface Manufacturer Warranty: 5 year Remark: OEM Drive Only VID Card: Asus RADEON 9800XT Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "9800XT/TVD" -RETAIL Specifications: Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9800XT/412MHz Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/730MHz BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+VIVO+DVI connector Support 3D API: DirectX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 14, 2004 CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 dont go fx yet.... That is what i got from the AMD website i might not be understanding it correctly. Let mort post before the final specs are set in stone. The 3400+ is faster!! if you want dual channel support the Asus SK8N Specifications: Supported CPU: Socket 940 AMD Athlon 64 FX/Opteron 100/200 Processors Chipset: NVDIA nForce3 Pro150 FSB: Scalable HyperTransport Bus RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual Channel Reg DDR333/266/200 Max 8GB IDE: 3x UltraDMA 100/133 up to 6 Devices Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,2xIEEE1394(Rear 1),Audio Ports Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Onboard LAN: RealTek 8201BL 10/100Mbps Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA; Promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 14, 2004 CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 Ok here is the deal... The current Athlon chip does not support dual channel. However, the next chip based on the 90nm process code name "winchester" will!! The winchester is base on the socket 939. Rendering the current chip helpless when the new stuff comes out that does support dual channel. Here is amd's processor roadmap. Lorne is currently in a tough place. does he build now or wait for the new tech to come out?? I havent read enough about winchester to know detailed specs but i will continue posting if I find something. Here is how i know that winchester will support dual channel. http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/2994 Keep posting for build ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted January 14, 2004 CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 How does this look to everybody Absolutely sick. And I thought the new computer here at home was the best possible at this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 14, 2004 CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 the both combos are the best as of right now. There is no way that that can be disputed other than if you like a different brand, style, etc. However Lorne wanted dual channel memory capibilities. Since the current 3400+ doesnt support it the fx51, the ONLY 64bit dual channel amd processor, is the best choice right now. It isnt as fast. I think that we are going to see tons of development in the next few years in terms of processors. This side of the market had been pretty dead til the last few months with the release of the 64bit. Knowing that Intel will release a 64bit some time AMD is sure to make their processors faster and the entire speed war starts again. I will hold off to tell you what i think til later today when i have time to look at a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 14, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 Swimmer I'm going to go with the 3400+, because I think your right. It is faster Everyday there is another review on it, where it is either equaling the FX or beating it. We just have to find some killer RAM for it And if we see some crazy developments in technology over the next year or 2, which I'm sure that we are going to. Then it will be time for PiMPuter 2 HOOYAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 14, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 14, 2004 Swimmer I'm going to go with the 3400+, because I think your right. It is faster Everyday there is another review on it, where it is either equaling the FX or beating it. We just have to find some killer RAM for it And if we see some crazy developments in technology over the next year or 2, which I'm sure that we are going to. Then it will be time for PiMPuter 2 HOOYAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 yeah... there will be some kick ass advancements!!! I think that the 3400+ is the way to go for now! you never know amd could release some crazy chip for the socket 752. As far as the memory: Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit Special Features: with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader Warranty: Lifetime This is my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 yeah... there will be some kick ass advancements!!! I think that the 3400+ is the way to go for now! you never know amd could release some crazy chip for the socket 752. As far as the memory: Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail Specification Manufacturer: Corsair Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit Special Features: with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader Warranty: Lifetime This is my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 Well...you can't have everything, can you? I'd go with the FX-51 due to its larger L2 cache and support for dual channel, but the 3400+ beats it with a lower price. Ok, I've worked things out, and now, be ready, cuz my dream rig is gonna be revealed! CPU: Intel P4-C 3ghz VidCard: Radeon 9800XT 256Mb MoBo: ABit AI7 Cooling: Prometia Mach 2 Case: Lian Li 65 (Really hard for me, don't think it's the BEST case) HD's: WD Raptors 72gig Raid 0 PSU: Antec Truepower 550 Ram: 2x Corsair XMS 3500 512mb Sound: SB Audigy 2 (the best; just too lazy to look it up) Some spare DVD-Burner. Voila, that would be my dream PC. Due to it's ability to hit over 3.8+ ghz, that thing is SCREAMING fast! Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 Well...you can't have everything, can you? I'd go with the FX-51 due to its larger L2 cache and support for dual channel, but the 3400+ beats it with a lower price. Ok, I've worked things out, and now, be ready, cuz my dream rig is gonna be revealed! CPU: Intel P4-C 3ghz VidCard: Radeon 9800XT 256Mb MoBo: ABit AI7 Cooling: Prometia Mach 2 Case: Lian Li 65 (Really hard for me, don't think it's the BEST case) HD's: WD Raptors 72gig Raid 0 PSU: Antec Truepower 550 Ram: 2x Corsair XMS 3500 512mb Sound: SB Audigy 2 (the best; just too lazy to look it up) Some spare DVD-Burner. Voila, that would be my dream PC. Due to it's ability to hit over 3.8+ ghz, that thing is SCREAMING fast! Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 boooo hissssss. just kidding i am not a big intel fan. looks sweet... Y are you not going with the extreme 3.2?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2004 CID Share Posted January 15, 2004 boooo hissssss. just kidding i am not a big intel fan. looks sweet... Y are you not going with the extreme 3.2?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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