resijs Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 I just recently bought... Motherboard : PT88AS (MachSpeed) CPU : Celeron D 2.93GHz RAM : Viking DDR PC3200 256MBs (2 sticks) And a new case that supports the ATX formfactor and everything. After I got done putting everything and going to press the power butotn, it wouldn't turn on! Not even the system fan went, it was almost like it was fried, but I know I took the necessary precautions before I installed it... I grounded myself, Made sure the RAM was locked in place thoroughly, made sure the CPU was seated right... The power cord is in. (Not sure if I need the 12V with a Celeron D though.) On button is pressed of course, and the LED wires SHOULD be in. The only thing I can think of is the Power BTN or Power SW cord is not in the right holes, but I tried every combination. I read the manual, and it looks like it's seated properlly. The only thing weird is the Reset SW from the case is missing a pin that the motherboard calls for, and so does the power SW. wtf is going on here? D: Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 hm. unplug the power supply from everything in the comp, hook up an aux fan to it and short the contacts of the power switch cable that would go to the board with a paperclip to see if the power supply is doa? CAUTION! RISKY! Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Are you asking me to fry my power supply so that I can test if it's fried or not? o.O edit no MATX power doesn't work with atx boards. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 no, i am asking if you want to manually short the power switch cables on the power supply without going through the case/mainboad since that is all the switch in the case does. i have even ussed a homebuilt case where i didn't havea switch installed for months, so tggling the power switch meant touching 2 exposed wires that snaked out of the case. like hotwiring a car, lol. gave good atmosphere for gta. the reason i am asking you to disconnect everything else besides maybe a fan is to see if the power supply comes on when it is switched that way, and to avoid any damage to components if there is something wrong with it. when you switch it a you do now, does the ps fan come on? is there a mechanical swtch on the back of your ps, is it on? Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'm telling you, this is what it looks like you want me to do. Take a paperclip and one of the internal power cords and stick it in there to see if it turns on, but that would fry my power box. lol I'll just go see if it turns on my old motherboard since I'm sure that it'll work that way. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Get yourself a cheap Volt Ohm Meter and learn how to use it - they are very cheap (less then 15 dollars for a cheap one) easy to learn to use and will save you loads of time in helping you solve problems like this. http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/vom.html They are very very handy Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
REH Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 I'm telling you, this is what it looks like you want me to do. Take a paperclip and one of the internal power cords and stick it in there to see if it turns on, but that would fry my power box. lol I'll just go see if it turns on my old motherboard since I'm sure that it'll work that way. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 nonononononono! lol if i wanted you to fry it i would tell you to supercool the ps py immersing it in water then turning it on to see if some of the condensators were too warm to condense the power. or something like that. but hats off to yo for thinking twice before acting on a misunderstanding. the poer supply connects to the riser ofthe mainboard where all the leds, pc spaker etc go with a cable that is marked power or something of the kind. it is not like the power cords, it is one of those flimsy thingummy cables. take that one and short it, that is the one that the cases switch, or the board, if it is coming out of a standby mode, shorts to tell the ps to go to full on or turn off. see 3.3.2 page 26 http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/ATX12V_PSDG_2_2_public_br2.pdf Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 lol, I'm just going to take the Power supply from my new computer (ATX but supports MATX) and put it in my old one (MATX) and see if it runs it, if it does than I won't have to worry about frying my stuff. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 hm. put the old ps on the new board, see if it turns on? seems like you have some issue with the signaling cables. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Do you think a Mini-ATX ps will run on an ATX board? Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 i wouldn't do it for long, but as long as you leave the drives disconnected and the graphics card isn't too extreme it shoukd be fine. it's just to see if the thing will boot. what'd the rating on your old ps? Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Let's see, my new ps is around 420W while my old one doesn't say much, but I think it's 240W. btw, is a Geforce MX 4000 AGP 8x considered "extreme"? Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 you should be able to see if it will turn on or not. just don't run it too long. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 no go.... My old ps did not work on the new motherboard. Seriously it must be the way it's configured. The motherboard has this, PWR LED POWER BTN .... ..... HDD LED RESET The powerled in for the motherboardshould be two pins, the power btn should be "3 pin" HOWEVER the third pin is not there (Not supposed to be according to the manual but it shows the power btn ord with 3 pin holders....), HDD LED should be 2 pins, and the Reset is 3 pins. My case has this, the hdd led is fine. the reset is 2 pins, the power btn is "2 pins" and the pwr led comes in two seperate cords. I am also not sure of the way I should put the cords in, the arrow on the left side, or the right? I have it on the right. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Can you take a few pics to show us what it looks like. You mean the arrows on the LED wires? Make sura all standoffs are in also you might want to check under the mobo to make sure there isn't a loose screw or something under it this will also cause your problem Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Yes, there could be a loose screw in there. I actually tried to take pictures before I even started this thread, my cell phone's picture quality just sUx, sorry. BTW, I didn't have enough screws for all the holes on the mobo, could it be possible that would do this? Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted November 12, 2005 CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 That could do it if it is on a corner of the mobo and there is no standoff under it. If the mobo is flexing and the corner is touching the case that would do it. Have a check and see to make sure non of the mobo is touching the case. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 12, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 12, 2005 Would that mean it's dead? btw, l2 ftw I played on a free server called St0rm gaming. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted November 13, 2005 CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 Nope wouldn't mean its dead, if that was the problem than it should fire up when its fixed. I think 1 of our GMs is from Storm if i remember right. Drop in the forums and say hi Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 13, 2005 CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 once you make sure the mobo isn't touching the case etc. you might as well try hotwiring it like i said. take that little power on cable that goes from the ps to the board and 'jumper' it with something for a sec. if that starts the system, you know that you have a problem with the pinout being weid. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 13, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 I doubt I'll ever understand what you're asking me to do resopal, if I get it wrong than I will ruin it, so I don't want to chance it, even though I'm pretty sure if I get it right than I'll know that I didn't fry my motherboard yet. btw, standoff is the big metal frame behind the mobo? Or are you talking about the round things that go under the screws? Hey, I think you're right, I definently have it messed up... I hope this works! k, I think this is what you're talking about... It's white clearish, looks like it'll work. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 13, 2005 CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 you have onee flimsy cable power on or so with a 2 prong plug from the ps to the mobo, right? remove that from the mobo, and short circuit the plug for a sec with a paperclip. it is the power on line referred to in thespecs i posted below. doing that will not harm the board,it will however turn on the power supply if the reasoon it's not turning on is a problem with the pin grid on the board, as you have describedthings not fitting. and the standoffs are the plastic thingies that are supposed tokeep the board from touching any metal sve forthe screws you used. if the plug looks like something to hook to a drive or onto the boards power plug, you're off base.it should look like the other led, pcspeaker etc plugs. i suspect that you have a problem with either the board pinouts description or the switch in the case. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 13, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 I am happy to report that the computer is on now, I can hear the fans running, my case fan is going... Now the problem is this, starts up... No video, no lights, no beeps. ram is secure, graphics card is secure, the harddrive might be the problem, but I dunno if it would do that. btw, no I don't have that... I have 4 hd/cdrom plugs, 1 made big one for the mobo, and the 4 pin one for P4s and 2 floppy cables. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted November 13, 2005 CID Share Posted November 13, 2005 Reset CMOS, and restart. Also make sure you have your CPU fan plugged into the fan header. Quote Link to comment https://testmy.net/ipb/topic/9052-custom-computer-will-not-start/#findComment-94266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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