richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 So I'm about to order some stuff for a new build, before I do I would like to here some comments or suggestions. Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811182545 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813138264 Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231035 Cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103595 Until I get my liquid cooling system http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835118118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 You realize that it is a micro atx mobo.. so you are not going to get all of the expandability.. Why are you going Opteron? I would take a look at a nice a64 or spend the extra for an x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 The motherboad has everything I need, is a good oc, and is cheap. Im going opteron cause its just like a 3700 but a little better for overlocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Very cool.. didnt know that.. looks good to me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'm hoping to hit 2.8 when I get my opteron, prolly won't break the 3ghz barrier but that would indeed be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disturbed Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 just to let you something know - true, opty is good for o/c, but just as good as a 3700+ 64bit processor if done properly - one thing you should know that, you would be much better off getting a very good heatsink/fan combo than going for a water cooling system - its pretty ridiculous to see that 300-400 dollar water cooling systems produce temps that are same and in some cases even worse than stock heatsinks ..... ;( - in many cases you are better off with simply having good airflow in your case and a good heatsink - it is different if you have money and you wanna invest like 500-600 dollars and go into something called thermoelectric cooling - which is pretty much a step above water cooling - it will give you temps of about 0 to -10C....ive had my run with water cooling, and unless you're looking to spend massive money for a decent system, its not worth it....stick with air cooling, or if you have money step it up to thermoelectric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 But that 3700+ costs quite a bit more than the slower optys, while the optys are made to last cuz they're supposed to survive in server situations. These are the steps in CPU/GPU cooling: Air cooling Water cooling thermoelectric, aka peltier chilled watercooling phase change dry ice, or DICE liquid nitrogen, or LN2 While it does give lower temperatures than watercooling, it takes a lot of power to run peltier cooling AFAIK. If you're willing to spend 400 on cooling, wait for OCZ' phase change system, it'll cost about 300 - 350 and give sub-zero temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGOKURULES Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Whats wrong with a good heatsink/fan combo with the cooling systems you have to refill them don't you? My system is runnig at 3.0ghz and 800mhz/FSB 1 neon fan on the side 1 atx power fan in the back and a small fan on the graphics card,, no problems, good airflow is all you need... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Yea I'm going to start with air cooling to see if I can keep it pretty cool and quiet, but if I can't then I might get some water cooling stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 i am sure that you can find a really nice heatsink that will out perform a basic watercooling set up. While it does give lower temperatures than watercooling, it takes a lot of power to run peltier cooling AFAIK. If you're willing to spend 400 on cooling, wait for OCZ' phase change system, it'll cost about 300 - 350 and give sub-zero temps. OCZ is coming up with a phase change system? Any details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Wow this is sweet, 350 for a phase change system is cheap. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/282/1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Damn if they can get that thing down below $200 that would be amazing! To bad it is a sealed system.. I doubt it is going to attact the attention of the upper end of the custom builders/moders but we will see.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 I was looking to spend about 250 at danger den for a custom water cooling system, but if I could get a phase change cooling unit for 200 that would be so much better. Any idea how much noise phase change makes? I've never used one before so idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 My guess is just the noise of the pump and maybe a fan or two for the radiator.. My guess is not a whole lot more than a watercooling could would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 So would it be worth me waiting for a phase change cooler like that to cool my cpu to sub zero temps instead of water cooling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 maybe build an insulated vat and immerse the entire pc in liquid nitrogen. although you wouldn't be able to do so with the drives, they would probably get brittle and shatter when moved. and i'm not sure what would happen if any of the materials become superconductive. but hanging the board with the cards into a bath of nitrogen, without even heatsinks should work. i don't think nitrogen is a conductor (need to look that up) and i also don't think that the liquid would go inbetween contacts and disrupt them. on the processor that shouldn't be a problem at all, it would just boil off, and the cards should be ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Now thats an idea . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 hm, just thought of a drawback. anytime you wanted to work on it (upgrading, swapping cards) you would have to take it out and let it slowly warm up, let the condensation that forms evaporate, then work on it and lower it in again. plus the mainboard battery would likely die, so you would have to wire that in and run cables for it outside the vat. as for the power supply it should work under liquid N, depends on the exact kind of components it has. although the psu will be boiling off a /lot/ of N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Sounds a little expensive, I would probably try the tub of vegetable oil before I do something with liquid nitrogen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 The expected release date is March for the OCZ Phase Change thingy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cholla Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 Heres a link to a testmy topic on temperature http://www.testmy.net/forum/index.php?topic=6057.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGOKURULES Posted January 15, 2006 CID Share Posted January 15, 2006 All in all I think that Phase system would be alot LOUDER than the water cooling route, and consume alot more power... And i'm pretty sure you keep your computer on all day so just think of the power requirements and the overall life and reliability of the setup you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 16, 2006 CID Share Posted January 16, 2006 I just realized what your pic is fgokurules.. That is awesome!! It looks like the pump is the same as on a small refridge.. so it wouldnt be that loud.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted January 16, 2006 Author CID Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hmmm I've already got a small fridge in my room maybe I could mod that somehow to make a cooling system. I wonder if I could make a setup for a water cooling system so that you had the radiator actually in the fridge, or have it intake the cool air from the fridge? I don't think condensation would be much of a problem cause the radiator would be outside the case. Think something like this could work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted January 16, 2006 CID Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hmmm I've already got a small fridge in my room maybe I could mod that somehow to make a cooling system. I wonder if I could make a setup for a water cooling system so that you had the radiator actually in the fridge, or have it intake the cool air from the fridge? I don't think condensation would be much of a problem cause the radiator would be outside the case. Think something like this could work? Meh, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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