wyantm06 Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 Ok I am just now trying the public beta released a while ago I was wondering since I have no video card in my PC, just on board will I be able to install it still? Will it work? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 I am going to doubt it.. It may install but it will not run aero glass... For that you need to have a dedicated video card.. The only one that Intel claims will run Aero is the GMA x3000.. http://www.nordichardware.com/news,4323.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 it will work just no aero glass. The only one that Intel claims will run Aero is the GMA x3000.. the gma 950 is the minimum for aero glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 It does qualify if you have enough ram for it to eat.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 It does qualify if you have enough ram for it to eat.. well it only needs 64mb and the gma950 is 64mb - 224mb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 right but that is shared with system memory.. I am not 100% sure.. but i believe that system processes have first dibs on memory before video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 right but that is shared with system memory.. I am not 100% sure.. but i believe that system processes have first dibs on memory before video what it does is it accolates the memory to the video card so that nothing else can use it. thats why when you have a onboard video card windows will show less memory then you actually have. On a mac it will give the memory back to the OS untill the video card needs it vista will do the same thing if you have enough memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 10, 2006 CID Share Posted December 10, 2006 Right... However, it is all dynamic in the GMA 950... So it boot with 64mb reserved.. + 16mb for start-up processes.. The from there it has the ability to dynamically call for more ram if it is available.. Meaning that it can go up to according to the whitepaper on the GMA 950 192mb of memory.. or on intel's quick facts 224MB.. I am not sure which is correct... The thing that I am interested in is.. since this is one of the first to have Dynamic Video Memory Technology how it would decide what, video or system processes, are more important. With vista we all know that 512mb is the minimum according to MS... However, the recommended is 1GB and at least 128mb graphics supporting DX 9 to run Aero. The GMA 950 will support 128mb.. however, how does it decide what processes should get the extra system memory? Since the system boots with 76MB, 16MB + 64MB, reserved that is still means that it is lacking 64MB to meet the recommended specs to run Aero. However, a fresh install of RC1 took between 550-700mb of ram and RC2 took 46% of 1GB or about 471MB of ram.. This I guess what with no programs running. So there is improvement.. So with a system that is trying to run Aero and has a GMA 950 with the standard 76MB of system memory reserved on boot. Leaving you with a total of -35MB of ram.. or pretty much disk caching the os which would lead to really poor performance. I am not saying that it can not be done.. You are going to need at least 1GB of ram whether you are running integrated or dedicated graphics. That has been pointed out already.. I am sure if you don't install every little theme package and all of the extras you could save some system resources.. White paper on DVMT: http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/applnots/30750801.pdf Product Brief on GMA 950: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/gma950.pdf Vista Memory usage: http://thevistaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=3731 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le_Murphant Posted December 11, 2006 CID Share Posted December 11, 2006 Idk about RC1, but from what I understood, RC2 scans your hardware on installation and then decides how much of it he's going to put on the ram and how much on the HD. So even if you have 512 ram, you should still have half of it or so free for you programs, but the overall performance obviously won't be as high as if you had 1 gig. Also, I haven't checked if ReadyBoost (the possibility of using flash cards as ram) is activated in RC2, but that could help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted December 11, 2006 CID Share Posted December 11, 2006 If it's anyhelp I'm running build 6000 with a gig of ram and a 6600 with no trouble. So far all the features are working fine and it seems quite zippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook63 Posted December 11, 2006 CID Share Posted December 11, 2006 Also, I haven't checked if ReadyBoost (the possibility of using flash cards as ram) is activated in RC2, but that could help. Yes it is, but they have to be over 256MB in order to be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyantm06 Posted December 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Well I got Vista RTM Build 6000 today. I guess I can't install it unless I have a video card? This sucks! I have 1 gig ram, 250 gig HDD, and a 2.8 GHZ processor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Well I got Vista RTM Build 6000 today. I guess I can't install it unless I have a video card? This sucks! I have 1 gig ram, 250 gig HDD, and a 2.8 GHZ processor... you can install it, you just wont be able to do glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyantm06 Posted December 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 you can install it, you just wont be able to do glass Ok, got an image of what glass looks like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Ok, got an image of what glass looks like? yea here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyantm06 Posted December 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Well I installed it, and it's amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Well I installed it, and it's amazing. yea it should run good aslong as you dont try and turn on glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyantm06 Posted December 15, 2006 Author CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 yea it should run good aslong as you dont try and turn on glass how do I turn on glass? I am going to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo321 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 I am going to doubt it.. It may install but it will not run aero glass... For that you need to have a dedicated video card.. Actually thats not entirely true. I installed Vista on my girlfriend's comp with a Radeon Express 200 chipset (which is integrated) and it ran fine with aero glass enabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 how do I turn on glass? I am going to try it. when you right click on the desktop and click personalize it will be in there. If your card is unsupported i dont think it will have the option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Actually thats not entirely true. I installed Vista on my girlfriend's comp with a Radeon Express 200 chipset (which is integrated) and it ran fine with aero glass enabled. the express 200 is faster then the GMA950. The GMA950 is the minimum vista glass will run on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo321 Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 the express 200 is faster then the GMA950. The GMA950 is the minimum vista glass will run on. Well, that might be true, but the reason I was correcting him was because he said that you needed a "dedicated" video card in order to run aero glass, which is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 first the express 200 or the correct name Xpress 200 is a chipset that includes an x300 integrated. Well, that might be true, but the reason I was correcting him was because he said that you needed a "dedicated" video card in order to run aero glass, which is incorrect. That is what was needed for betas as the IGP were not supported for the most part.. I realize that some people have been able to run Aero on the RCs... however, the latest that I have been able to find is that the xPress 200 is vista capable not vista premium ready. Meaning that the chipset and graphics are capable of running vista but may not be capable of running all of the add-on as they do not meet the requirements by themselves. So a dedicated graphic card is recommended to meet the full requirements. I was able to find : The only Intel integrated solutions that meet minimum hardware requirements for Aero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHalf Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 Alright fellas, recommend a dedicated video card that I can install on a ASUS Mobo with an Intel chipset (integrated video) with 4gig of ram on a SCSI RAID 1 (4 HDD). I'm running WinXP PRO/XP MCE and SuSE. TheHalf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted December 15, 2006 CID Share Posted December 15, 2006 I would go with an ATI card.. The image quality tends to be a little bit better on linux than the nvidia counterpart. However, it you are going to game hardcore on linux then go with Nvidia. Nvidia had a faster framerate in linux than the ATI x1000 cards. What motherboard are you running? 4Gb of memory on a IGP board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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