EVDO-A vs Hughesnet/ WildBlue

[unitychild]

I'm still curious about Sprint EVDO even with this

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::

Download Connection is:: 1433 Kbps about 1.4 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)

Download Speed is:: 175 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2007/02/10 - 8:54pm

Bottom Line:: 25X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 5.85 sec

Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 17.105 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 35.83 % faster than the average for host (direcpc.com)

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-F9WN3YKPD

User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1

Wow! I NEVER got those kind of speeds with Hughes!! If I had, I would not have had a problem with it! lol

[tommie gorman]

And like you mentioned unitychild, your husband plays online gaming. Highes in no way is recommended for that. I am sure you will thoroughly enjoy it and deserve it as well. And storms will not shut you down, no ice or snow on the dish, or repoints, or ugly dish on the roof anymore. I am sure you made the very best choice you could have for your situation. 

In your situation I would probably done the same. 

[granpa]

me too unitychild I'm with tommie

                                       

tommie, do you have a ugly dish? 

[fikester]

Two things

....your paying $60 each x 3 right?

....lets see a ping -t to testmy.net

Hughes business plan FAP is at over 1200MB

[unitychild]

Two things

....your paying $60 each x 3 right?

....lets see a ping -t to testmy.net

Hughes business plan FAP is at over 1200MB

Sure, I will humor you... sigh... how do I ping?

Is that on a DW6000 or a DW7000... also there was NO WAY I am signing another contract with Hughes after my dissatisfaction...

[fikester]

start>accessories> command prompt

then type in ping testmy.net  then hit enter.....type exit then enter

use ping -t for continuous ping use control c to quit

[Siryak]

Hey unity. If I were you I would hop on over to http://booster-antenna.com/ and look at their antennas. I have heard that the antenna will increase your signal and in turn increase the speed as well. I have seen people on the EVDO plans get faster speeds than what you are getting and it could be that your signal could be just a little bit stronger. But again the antennas aren't too expensive and if it doesn't help you could always send it back.

[unitychild]

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

© Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:>ping testmy.net

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=122ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=135ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=129ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:

    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 122ms, Maximum = 156ms, Average = 135ms

[fikester]

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?

[Siryak]

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

© Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:>ping testmy.net

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=122ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=135ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=129ms TTL=46

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:

    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

    Minimum = 122ms, Maximum = 156ms, Average = 135ms

Lets see your sat connection do that. It does not matter how fast it is as long as the latency is lower. Whenever you are browsing you pretty muchly never use all of that bandwidth anyway. Just a fraction of it. Plus EVDO is capable of maintaining a good 1mb+, which is more than enough for browsing. Then there is that crazy thing were you can do something else besides browse the web with your internet connection....

Edit: Also it is noteworthy that the cards can be taken wherever they want to. They are not tied to using them just at their house unlike a sat connection. The fact of the matter is EVDO is and always will beat satellite in pretty muchly every way including downloading large files, because you will get fapped and that EVDO connection will just keep on going.

[unitychild]

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?

$49.99 per card plus tax... a bit over $150 all together... bill will come later for service. Mail in rebates for $49.99 off of each card, so cards will be free

[fikester]

form another poster his pings were posted between 225-1400ms......so if the pings are at best 135ms and will climb higher?

Downloading a large file or uploading a large file higher pings will not be noticeable on sat....gaming and web browsing are the main things the ping does hinder...from what I read the EVDO user can see much higher pings as another user had posted awhile back. The speed is also slower as already mentioned with a weaker signal.....so its not the same as DSL or cable.

As far as the mobile part there is always hotspots....?

So depending on what the ping goes to during busy hours.. hope to see.

[unitychild]

form another poster his pings were posted between 225-1400ms......so if the pings are at best 135ms and will climb higher?

Downloading a large file or uploading a large file higher pings will not be noticeable on sat....gaming and web browsing are the main things the ping does hinder...from what I read the EVDO user can see much higher pings as another user had posted awhile back. The speed is also slower as already mentioned with a weaker signal.....so its not the same as DSL or cable.

As far as the mobile part there is always hotspots....?

So depending on what the ping goes to during busy hours.. hope to see.

Right, but you can't game on satellite...and I don't believe anyone said it was the same as DSL or Cable... I recall saying that IF I could get either one, I would have it... as far as mobile and hotspots, I don't want to have to go to a hotspot to get high speed... I want to get it at home and at work...

[tommie gorman]

Again she gets to have it on 3 computers, and she can take one with her, and her husband can take one with him. (out of the house, hughes can not do that)

And the business plan also runs $179 a month for one connection. plus $599.98 after rebate. And all this with another wonderful ball and chain 15 month contract. 

So once again she has done what she wants and is happy. 

[granpa]

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?

I really believe unitychild knows the price and you have stated it's the price your not willing to pay, why continue on this trying to convince unitychild? She has an advantage over you, she has tried both systems and likes what she has. The other user you are taking about is jeffwalker9999 and he said "Adverage Speeed(s) ** from hands on useage **

Download at 650 to 880 K Baud

Upload at 175 to 290 K Baud

Has a bad habbit of ping loss at 2nd hop

and ping times of 220 ms to 1470 ms

In general no major issues".

Another voice from experience in actual use of the card. In my research it's said by using an exterior antenna you can increase your speed and works by getting the strongest signal possible. Be nice if Hughes worked that way  but getting the strongest on sat means more stability.

[granpa]

Two things

....your paying $60 each x 3 right?

....lets see a ping -t to testmy.net

Hughes business plan FAP is at over 1200MB

EV-DO

(Evolution Data Optimized) 400-700 Kbps (but capable of 2.4Mbps) RF in space (wireless) Mobile telephone for business and personal use

TMN's listing in the Connection Chart.

$50 - $60 at three cards and then use the lowest figure in the chart 400Kbps X 3 = 1200Kbps, no router. use the highest (up to) 700Kbps X 3 = 2100Kbps. 

[Guest jeffwalker9999]

4:20 Am PST

-88 dB Signal and EVDO REV A

PING >>>>>>>> PING >>>>>>>

C:Documents and SettingsJeff Walker>ping testmy.net

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 39ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 39ms

Tracert >>>>>>>>> Tracert >>>>>>>>

C:Documents and SettingsJeff Walker>tracert www.testmy.net

Tracing route to www.testmy.net [67.18.179.85] over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1  480 ms  280 ms  710 ms  68.28.49.69

  2    *        *        *    Request timed out. >>>>>>> does this all the time >>>

  3  299 ms  399 ms  359 ms  68.28.51.54

  4  298 ms  319 ms  338 ms  68.28.51.6

  5  317 ms  360 ms  358 ms  68.28.51.17

  6  312 ms  360 ms  321 ms  sl-gw26-stk-2-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.50.89]

  7  381 ms  317 ms  319 ms  sl-bb20-stk-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.4.114]

  8  338 ms  380 ms  339 ms  sl-bb20-sj-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.99]

  9  316 ms  319 ms  320 ms  0.so-5-3-0.BR1.SCL2.ALTER.NET [204.255.169.145]

10  379 ms  320 ms  317 ms  0.so-2-0-0.XL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.57.50]

11  352 ms  499 ms  361 ms  0.so-7-0-0.XL3.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.98.77]

12  398 ms  379 ms  560 ms  POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.103.85]

13  379 ms  361 ms  358 ms  theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.143.226]

14  356 ms  359 ms  359 ms  vl32.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.85.127.62]

15  356 ms  359 ms  358 ms  vl42.dsr02.dllstx4.theplanet.com [70.85.127.91]

16  356 ms  378 ms  359 ms  gi1-0-2.car17.dllstx4.theplanet.com [67.18.116.85]

17  378 ms  417 ms  421 ms  55.b3.1243.static.theplanet.com [67.18.179.85]

Trace complete.

>>>>> IPV6 Protocol >>>>>>>> IPV6 >>>>>> IPV6 >>>>

( It always pings at quite higher times )

C:Documents and SettingsJeff Walker>tracert -6 www.sixxs.org

Tracing route to noc.sixxs.net [2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    *        *        *    Request timed out.

  2  866 ms  935 ms  1377 ms  sl-bb1v6-rly-t-1002.sprintv6.net [2001:440:1239:1003::2]

  3  3126 ms  3315 ms  3257 ms  sl-bb1v6-bru-t-1000.sprintv6.net [2001:440:1239:1002::2]

  4  3238 ms  2039 ms  687 ms  2001:440:eeee:ffe4::2

  5  1904 ms  959 ms  1539 ms  so-1-1-2.dus11.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::100]

  6  2117 ms  2540 ms  2739 ms  so-0-0-0.ams22.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::1:122]

  7  2399 ms  1837 ms  2163 ms  pos-7-5-0.ams11.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::630]

  8  1647 ms  3250 ms  840 ms  ge6-2-0.br0.ams3.nl.gbxs.net [2001:7f8:1::a500:9009:1]

  9  1457 ms  707 ms  941 ms  ams-ix.ipv6.concepts.nl [2001:7f8:1::a501:2871:1]

10  818 ms  787 ms  700 ms  se1.breda.ipv6.concepts-ict.net [2001:838:0:10::2]

11  658 ms  621 ms  637 ms  noc.sixxs.net [2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c]

Trace complete.

To ReClassify ------------

"Adverage Speeed(s) ** from hands on useage **

Download at 650 to 880 K Baud

Upload at 175 to 290 K Baud

**** Yes signal does make a difference in the speed you connect at ***

and the protocol you use to connect ----

It likes to switch to 1xRTT if signal is low

Again ------

I have been on Sprint's EVDO ----June 2006 to Current

1 (one) novatel s620 pcmcia card and $62.57 monthly fee

 

If I can help you out more PM Me

[Guest jeffwalker9999]

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[fikester]

Glad you like it, at least unless something changes you wont need to watch usage.....but I don't see where it is any faster.

Theres my first post to her about EVDO......guess since I'm looking at the big picture and not posting any different because unity is a female? Had it been me that posted the exact same lingo about getting the Sprint deal, the post would have been attacked and flamed at just as most are. The pings look better than sat at the moment, but would honestly think they will increase during peak usage time.My point about the cost is the way the deal reads if she didn't buy the special router.....then she is paying 59/month for each line, this is what I wanted to clarify.....and if so then around 150-180 month would not be compred to Hughes home account lets compare it to a business plan or small office at least!

Gorman....its seems odd to me you cant justify $10/month considered an upgrade from the old 6000 to a newer 7000 or 7000s for better pings/ more consistent performance/double or better uploads speeds....but yet now EDVO is far superior regardless. When WB first come out a 2yr contract was " bad", "not good"...Hughes 15 months "terrible" ......now all of a sudden 2yr contract is not even a concern. 

Siryak...was it not you who posted about how when you first got WB how good it was (pings 550-675ms) and you gamed on it etc....now its no good junk (pings 1400-2200ms). Surprised your still using WB and not just plugged in the phone line? Interesting how it could possibly be different now from then 

[granpa]

The pings look better than sat at the moment, but would honestly think they will increase during peak usage time.My point about the cost is the way the deal reads if she didn't buy the special router.....then she is paying 59/month for each line, this is what I wanted to clarify.....and if so then around 150-180 month would not be compred to Hughes home account lets compare it to a business plan or small office at least!

That flaming part I try to stay away from.

I really don't see how you can compare the EVDO and Hughes that way. Ping times shouldn't slow unless something happens along the path which can with any ISP. Also the fact is that EVDO only works over a very short distance, from you to the tower but Sat is miles up and back. And yes sat downloading looks to be faster after it gets rolling but has anyone tried to improve EVDO (fine tune) as we have sat? One Hughes connection would have to be split in unity's case but she has 3 connections and each is portable and no FAP that works in her situation.

I'm curious as to see how fast I could get it to go through some enhancements  such as antennas to max the signal to top. And I do believe the speed fluctuation with EVDO is because of signal fluctuation them same you get with cell phones, kind of like turn your head and it's gone when your on the fringe. I think it is very similar to wireless networking where the throughput tends to drop over distance but will increase with antenna gain. So to me it looks like EVDO, a new frontier to explore and I down anything until I have tried it or know first hand. 

[Siryak]

Theres my first post to her about EVDO......guess since I'm looking at the big picture and not posting any different because unity is a female? Had it been me that posted the exact same lingo about getting the Sprint deal, the post would have been attacked and flamed at just as most are. The pings look better than sat at the moment, but would honestly think they will increase during peak usage time.My point about the cost is the way the deal reads if she didn't buy the special router.....then she is paying 59/month for each line, this is what I wanted to clarify.....and if so then around 150-180 month would not be compred to Hughes home account lets compare it to a business plan or small office at least!

Gorman....its seems odd to me you cant justify $10/month considered an upgrade from the old 6000 to a newer 7000 or 7000s for better pings/ more consistent performance/double or better uploads speeds....but yet now EDVO is far superior regardless. When WB first come out a 2yr contract was " bad", "not good"...Hughes 15 months "terrible" ......now all of a sudden 2yr contract is not even a concern. 

Siryak...was it not you who posted about how when you first got WB how good it was (pings 550-675ms) and you gamed on it etc....now its no good junk (pings 1400-2200ms). Surprised your still using WB and not just plugged in the phone line? Interesting how it could possibly be different now from then 

The only reason why I still have it is because EVDO is not available yet, and also I think it might get better whenever WB-1 is online. Also the user that posted before with the high pings on EVDO was obviously in a bad spot otherwise the pings will be satellite easily. The fact of the matter is EVDO is and always will be better than satellite. I have seen much higher pings on Hughes and Wildblue than I will ever see on EVDO. Whenever you are browsing guess what...PINGS MATTER!!! Satellite always has and ALWAYS will be a dial-up alternative and NOTHING more.

To grandpa you are exactly right on signal fluctuations being the source of the speed fluctuations. I have read on the evdoforums multiple cases where people had speeds that were either consistently slow or fluctuated and was fixed by simply adding an antenna. I have also seen people getting a good 1.4mb in some cases. Also the upload on EVDO (rev a) stomps satellite. I have seen a user post as high as 900k.

[fikester]

What we are comparing here is 3 connections at around $150/month for the 3 needed connections ...this would easily pay for the business plan on Hughes or Small office.  The EVDO may very well be better in some aspects but having to pay 150/month plus taxes and fees for 3 users to me is out of the question? If you only bought one card and paid for one line what would the speed be with 3users using at once in the house and how would other users at home get online while the card holder took it with them? Not for me if each user needs a card at $60/month!

http://www.evdoforums.com/thread4836.html

I guess if you need a mobile connection that bad....thats what you will need to get. I will deal with the sat latency in the exchange for the need to spend the same amount of money for equipment then $55-70month per user and still have pings higher than DSL or cable.

[Siryak]

What we are comparing here is 3 connections at around $150/month for the 3 needed connections ...this would easily pay for the business plan on Hughes or Small office.  The EVDO may very well be better in some aspects but having to pay 150/month plus taxes and fees for 3 users to me is out of the question? If you only bought one card and paid for one line what would the speed be with 3users using at once in the house and how would other users at home get online while the card holder took it with them? Not for me if each user needs a card at $60/month!

http://www.evdoforums.com/thread4836.html

I guess if you need a mobile connection that bad....thats what you will need to get. I will deal with the sat latency in the exchange for the need to spend the same amount of money for equipment then $55-70month per user and still have pings higher than DSL or cable.

Jeffwalker just got through showing you that it can do just as good as DSL if the signal is good.

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 39ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 39ms

I have seen many DSL accounts that could not even get latency like that. Also you keep saying well you could have a business Hughesnet account for that price. Can you take your Hughesnet with you wherever you go? Can you play online games with your Hughesnet? Can you use VOIP with your Hughesnet? Can you download all you want with your Hughesnet? Can you browse secure sites quickly and easily with your Hughesnet? NO...Also you don't haft to pay $55-70 a month per user. You can simply get an EVDO router and share it just like you share your satellite connection. The only reason unity got a card per user is because she needed to take her cards with her.

[dn0]

Those pings are EVDO Rev. A and look nice.

I don't have Rev. A here yet, will be nice when it comes along.

I hate to chime in this late, but I think Unity's point is the freedom of 3 separate cards, and it sounds like the $ is not a big issue.

Glad to see your happy, unitychild.

If all i had was my EVDO connection, I could live with that.

I would trade my cable modem to move out to an acreage away from town somewhere (been thinking about it).

[fikester]

For one...from what I have been reading the average ping expected for this system is around 200ms which is no doubt better then any sat provider regardless of plan. 150/month which is needed for 3 users to be mobile in the same home to me is hideous.

Sirlak....was it you who said "WB pings in the 500-600ms were doable to game on" at one point?

http://www.evdoforums.com/thread4836.html

According to this link the router would allow sharing of the 3 users in home.....(and what would the speed be shared with 3 users on?) but at this point would be use less when the card holder pulled the card to go mobile.

I'm not going to spend 150/month for my 3 users I don't care if the pings are 5ms coast to coast and speeds are 20MB up and down 24/7/365 guaranteed money back. This is not for all of us.....

Oh and can you run a server on EVDO at 150/month?..... or is that against policy

Seen the same hype when WB rolled out, now look 2000ms pings

I think unity's big issue was the FAP and she said she was not going to spend 99 for the small office to get the 500MB bucket or the 179 for the business plan for the 1250MB bucket....because of the price. I did tell her glad she was happy with the EDVO ....in my opinion its a little steep in price for a family plan (3-4 users) and get the benefit of mobile usage with the allowed average pings.