lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Swimmer Thanks for the rundown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cooling/Asetek_WaterChill_2.html WaterChill CPU/VGA/Chipset Kit $269 Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Swimmer Looks wicked, looks like it wood be lighter than the Koolance stuff. If the temperatures oc ing were kept under control would there be anyother neg effects from oc ing. Another cool link Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Swimmer I'm starting to put together a final list of comp parts I want to use What's difference between OEM and retail Yet another question from Curious George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Umm... I think that is would shorten the cpu life by a while. I mean these things are made to run for years if not centuries. When you do overclock you do run the risk of cracking the dye. Or effectively killing the chip. You need to make sure that you know what you are doing and messing with a chip that costs 700 bucks... I wouldnt risk it. You would still have the fastest pc around. Let the reviewers who get the chips for free fry them. Then, like a year from now, you could start to see what the chip are able to handle that why do dont fry you pimp machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 OEM is just the chip.. not packaging not heat sink no fan Retail has all the crap with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hey Lorne u want to see this baby in action?? Here check this out. http://www.3dgameman.com/vr/asetek/waterchill/video_review.html This guy does video reviews of all the products that he reviews. This happens to be one of the ones he recommends. WARNING THE DOWNLOAD FOR THE MOVIE IS 19.5 mb That shouldnt matter most of us are on broadband! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Thanks Guys I don't know what I'm doind so i think i'll pass on the oc it would suck to fry it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 OCin' isn't nessisary if you get a dope chip in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MICROWAVE Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Mortiochris ) oooh...that is nice Im a big fan of western dig Raptor with that dual HD is kick ass!Of course that vid card is reallll nice too..Then theres that RAM yeah not bad at all.....as a matter of fact its pretty fuc#$%^ nice yea yea thats the ticket^^^ microwave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Here is another try at it Tell me what you think Oh im still working on one for socket 940 to see which one is gonna be better CPU: AMD athlon 64 3200+Processor 2000MHZ Hds:Dual WD 74 gig SATA RAPTORS in a RAID 0 array Vid card: RADEON 9800 pro 256 mb memory:x2 CORSAIR XMS extreme memory 256 mb DDR 400 (pc 3200) Power: Enermax 550 watt AMD/xeon p4 ready Soundcard: AUDIGY 2 zs platinum pro w/external hub Cooling: WATERCHILL cpw/vga/chipset kit or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MICROWAVE Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 OCin' isn't necessary if you get a dope chip in the first place ) Thanks I was kinda afraid to say that, but in my opinion overclocking was useful some time ago when they didn't have that kinda chip power,but now I don't really see as much of a need for overclocking as there once was.Today get the correct chip and the shiz will fly.Plus as everyone knows you ALWAYS have a temp problem... microwave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 the most important one factor in building your own tower is SDram keep in mind that memory is very troublesome, so as to eliminate this potenial, let us put only one card on the bus. Hence conflict free! one other plus is max front side buss speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 9, 2004 CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Lorne that looks good to me you might want to up the card to the 9800XT if you want the most up to date graphics card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 9, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 9, 2004 Swimmer Real nice Specifications: Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9800XT/412MHz Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/760MHz BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector Support 3D API: DirectX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 Fred...no...just no...nForce and typical ViA Chipsets LOVE having 2 sticks of 256mb ram. Hell, nForce2 uses Dual Channel on the ram, effectively doubling the access speeds, and it's management eliminates conflicts ENTIRELY. But, don't use 512mb sticks on nForce cuz it has some problems handling 2x 512 sticks. Don't know about ViA and dual channel cuz I don't own any ViA's, just an nForce2. Also, try to avoid a Motherboard that has issues with certain ram types as I know the Abit NF7-S v2 has some issues with some models of Corsair and Kingston, so do some research on issues. But, Ca3le is right, you have almost NO need to OC if you get a badass chip. One other thing, try to avoid ECC and Registered ram if possible, and also try to get ram with chips on only one side and not 2 as it reduces heat and increases speeds with tighter timings. Also Fred, I can only max this rig to 230 fsb MAX with dual channel and 225 single channel, in all different banks, so 1 stick / 2 sticks, single channel dual channel, 2 dual is the best. Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 10, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 Been researching my ass off, so let's see if I did a little better with this one SOCKET 940 CPU: Specification Model: AMD Athlon 64 FX-51 Core: ClawHammer Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz FSB: Integrated into Chip Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1024K Voltage: 1.5V Process: 0.13Micron Socket: Socket 940 MOBO: Specifications: Supported CPU: Single Socket 940 AMD Athlon64 FX Processors Chipset: VIA K8T800 + VIA VT8237 FSB: Scalable HyperTransport RAM: 3x DIMM for Registered ECC DDR400/333/266 Max 8GB IDE : 3x UltraDMA 133 up to 6 Devices Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI, 1x WiFi Ports: 2xPS2, 1xLPT, SPDIF Out, 1xCOM, 8xUSB2.0(Rear 4), 1xLAN, 2xIEEE1394(Rear 1), Audio Ports Onboard Audio: ADI AD1985, 6-channel CODEC Onboard LAN: 3COM 3C940 Gigabit Ethernet Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x SATA, RAID0/1; 2x SATA, RAID 0/1/0+1(Total 4 Serial ATA) Form Factor: ATX VID CARD: Specifications: Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9800XT/412MHz Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/760MHz BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector Support 3D API: DirectX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 Looks good to me. How much ram u going to install please tell me over 512mb!!! That is a good mobo for this project, Asus K8T800. it says 4x for memory. This mobo only has 3 slots. Try and buy the largest chip you can afford then start adding. So like a 1 gig chip of ram for slot one would be good!! Check out this site http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3200+Platinum+Edition OCZ technologies. They have some of the more agressive timings and settings. Other than that looks like a great system!!! Cosair is also a great memory manufacturer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 10, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 Swimmer Thanks for the link that helped alot. Don't know why i thought the mobo had 4 slots RAM: 3x DIMM for Registered ECC DDR400/333/266 Max 8GB It says for registered ECC, is that absolute, or can I use unregistered This is what I was looking at: OCZ ENHANCED LATENCY SERIES PLATINUM EDITION 184 Pin 1 GB (512MBx2) Specification Manufacturer: OCZ Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-2-3-5 1T Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit Special Features: Ultra Low Noise shielded PCB Warranty: Lifetime How much memory is too much HEY why don't you guys come up with most PIMPIN combos that you can, It would be interesting to see the different combos you each of you come up with. Ca3le Swimmer, Microwave, Mort, And anybody else that think they got what it takes Unless of course your scared of the rookie lol JUST KIDDING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 How much memory is too much Some windows versions use such amounts of memory very inefficiently, loading stuff multiple times into the memory... Let's hope Longhorn has improved memory management a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorne Posted January 10, 2004 Author CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 No Doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 with the ram u selected you have 2 512 chips. So... you could get 1 more stick and that would be it. I would think that 1 gig of ram is more then enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiorchis Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 Whoaaaa....I don't think that would be too effecient. You'll have the MASSIVE amounts of ram, but it wouldn't be running in dual channel, so it'll have a speed of only around 3.2gb/sec (dual channel = 6.4 gb/s). Only Windows apps and some linux apps use dual channel, but most benchmarks don't have the ability to use the dual channel in benches. I'm not sure, but I don't think it can run dual with 3 sticks... Mort (PiMP Rig commin up soon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted January 10, 2004 CID Share Posted January 10, 2004 this mobo it able to run dual channel..?? SK8V DDR333 Memory Qualified Vender List The following table lists the memory modules that have been tested and qualified for use with this motherboard. Size Vendor Part No. Chip Brand DS/SS Chip No. DIMM sock A* B* C* 256MB .ATP AB32L72Q8SQB3S SAMSUNG SS K4H560838D-TCB3(ECC)REG v v v 512MB ATP AB64L72Q8S8B3S SAMSUNG DS K4H560838D-TCB3(ECC)REG v v v 1024MB ATP AB64L72Q8S8B3S SAMSUNG DS K4H560438D-TCB3(ECC)REG v v v 1024MB ATP AB28L72P4SMB3C Infineon DS HYB25D256400BT-6B(ECC)REG v v v 512MB TwinMOS M2S5J18C2AWB5F0811C-T Winbond DS W942508CH-6(ECC)REG v v v 256MB Kingston KVR333X72RC25/256 Infineon SS HYB25D256809BT-6B(ECC)REG v v 512MB Kingston KVR333X72RC25/512 Micron DS MT46V64M4TG-6TC(ECC)REG v v v 1024MB Kingston KVR333X72RC25/1024 DS D644DWH-60(ECC)REG v v 512MB CORSAIR CM72SD512RLP-2700/S SAMSUNG DS K4H560838D-TCB3(ECC)REG v v v 1024MB CORSAIR CM74SD1024RLP-2700/S SAMSUNG DS K4H560438D-TCB3(ECC)REG v v 256MB Apacer 77.10632.112 Infineon SS HYB25D256800BT-6B(ECC)REG v v v 512MB Apacer 77.10732.112 Infineon DS HYB25D256800BT-6B v v 1024MB Apacer 78.01053.112 Infineon DS HYB25D256400BC-6SSS26366 v v v SK8V DDR400 Memory Qualified Vender List The following table lists the memory modules that have been tested and qualified for use with this motherboard. Size Vendor Part No. Chip Brand DS/SS Chip No. DIMM socket support (Optional) A* B* C* 512MB Samsung M312L6420EG0-CCC Samaung DS K4H560438E-GCCC v v v 512MB Kingston KRX3200K2/1G Kingston DS v v v A*: Supports one module inserted in any slot as Single-channel memory configuration. B*: Supports one pair of modules inserted into either the blue slots or the black slots as one pair of Dual-channel memory configuration. C*: Supports 4 modules inserted into both the blue and the black slots as two pairs of Dual-channel memory configuration. http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket940/sk8v/overview.htm You are correct it can not run dual channel with 3 sticks. However the price difference beweet dual channel 1 gig and 512 is huge!!! For the OCZ Memory Review check here http://www.3dgameman.com/vr/ramstore/ocz_dc_ddr_el_pc_3200/video_review.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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