FaT_PHiL Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 Im finally ordering my computer, and ive decided to purchase all the parts off of newegg and build it myself. I have a few questions and would like to know what you all think of the hardwrare ive selected. NZXT Lexa Case 3x 120mm 1x 80mm 3 LED temp display http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811146018 OCZ 520w Powerstream PSU - 2 LED fans 2 heatsinks, all 3 rails have changeable voltage, 12v rails rated at 28-33 amps http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817711002 AMD Opteron 165 1.8ghz Dual Core 2x 1mb cache - plan to OC to 2.4 on stock HSF http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103588 DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR Socket 939 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136151 Corsair XMS 1gb kit 2x 512 pc3200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145450 eVGA 7600 GT PCIE SuperClocked 600/1560 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130284 Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATA150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148065 Sony 16x DVDr/rw + combo drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827131267 NEC Floppy Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16821152005 The two pieces im thinking about is the motherboard and the ram. The mobo is kinda expensive and it puts me over my 1200$ budget. The ram is pretty solid but im thinking about G.Skill. and as for a replacment mobo im thinking about Gigabyte Pro Sli board. My other question is related to overclocking. Im pretty sure i know enough but i want to make sure. To overclock i would need to turn the fsb up in the bios and then set the clock multiplier to make it 2.4. So would i turn the fsb to 240 and then set the multiplier to 10? also if the fsb is 240 or more will it effect my ram being as its pc3200 and should i just buy higher clocked ram? Any suggestions on other parts are welcomed. I really want to learn everything before i start building to avoid any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinlay Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 Thats a pretty good setup. Why a floppy drive? i didnt think they still make them things anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 29, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 well i figured for 6$ might as well.. and wouldnt i need it to format the hdd when it comes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinlay Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 if you planed on puting xp on it you dont need the floppy drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 Quote if you planed on puting xp on it you dont need the floppy drive don't say don't because with that motherboard you have to use 3rd party sata raid drivers, so if he is using a sata drive, whitch i hope he is, he is going to need a floppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinlay Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 yah your going to need a floppy drive for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disturbed Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 its all good - i have the same motherboard - however, i would really recommend you get better ram if you can - everything else seems very nice i have ocz el platinum rev.2 ram and its out of this world - its just amazing - its ddr400 but it will go as much as ddr600 (im running it at 500mhz right now) if you have any questions regarding that motherboard feel free to ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disturbed Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 but get a floppy drive - sure its outdated, but a lot of stuff you can do with the dfi motherboard works best if you have a floppy drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disturbed Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 oh, and also I believe that this motherboard does not need any drivers for your configuration - you will only need them if you are going raid - most nf4 motherboards (including this one) are like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 Quote NZXT Lexa Case 3x 120mm 1x 80mm 3 LED temp display http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811146018 First things first. Do you need the side to have a window? I mean, it's nice to have, but only rarely useful and so many people have windows (both in the case and on the HD) already on lan parties. Quote OCZ 520w Powerstream PSU - 2 LED fans 2 heatsinks, all 3 rails have changeable voltage, 12v rails rated at 28-33 amps http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817711002 Lots of room for upgrade, keeper. [quote[AMD Opteron 165 1.8ghz Dual Core 2x 1mb cache - plan to OC to 2.4 on stock HSF http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103588[.quote] The stock HSF is very good, and if you keep the temps below 50 (45 preferably) you can problably reach 2.6 with little problem. With a little luck and a better heatsink (I love my SI-120) it might run 2.8 24/7. Quote DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR Socket 939 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136151 Overkill. Stick to SLI-D if you don't wanna mod or can't get your hands on a SLI bridge (you don't even need it anymore), but the Ultra-D is just fine for virtually everyone else. Note that SLI is a pretty bad investment for most cards, with the 7900GT being the best option atm. Quote Corsair XMS 1gb kit 2x 512 pc3200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145450 If you plan on playing BF2 or FEAR think about getting 2x 1 GB. Quote eVGA 7600 GT PCIE SuperClocked 600/1560 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130284 With the money you save with the motherboard I'd go for a 7900GT, they're awesome quality for the price. Overclocks like a dream too. Quote Seagate Barracuda 250GB SATA150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148065 Sony 16x DVDr/rw + combo drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827131267 NEC Floppy Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16821152005 HD fine, DVD drive fine, Floppy drive can be salvaged from other computers, you'll only use it very very rarely. Quote The two pieces im thinking about is the motherboard and the ram. The mobo is kinda expensive and it puts me over my 1200$ budget. The ram is pretty solid but im thinking about G.Skill. Don't bother with a fixed budget, you're bound to go over Quote My other question is related to overclocking. Im pretty sure i know enough but i want to make sure. To overclock i would need to turn the fsb up in the bios and then set the clock multiplier to make it 2.4. So would i turn the fsb to 240 and then set the multiplier to 10? also if the fsb is 240 or more will it effect my ram being as its pc3200 and should i just buy higher clocked ram? Any suggestions on other parts are welcomed. I really want to learn everything before i start building to avoid any problems. The multipliers for AMD chips (save for the FX ones) are locked upwards, meaning with this CPU you can't go above 9x. If you want 2400 Mhz, you'll need a FSB of 267. Note that your ram won't handle that most likely, and should be put on a divider, on DFI you have the choice between 166 (Ram speed 218 effective) and 150 (ram speed 200 effective). First one is an option if you like tweaking (lots of ram can do more than that), otherwise stick to 200 effective. I had lots of problems getting my DFI board to run at all, it wouldn't recognize my CPU at first, and you may have that problem as well. Either stick an older CPU in there and flash to a newer BIOS version, or hotflash the BIOS chip in another DFI lanparty board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disturbed Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 i play bf2 and fear without any hitches on highest settings - and I only use 1 gig of ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted March 29, 2006 CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 one of the tech sites actually tested this.. it was actually faster to run 1 gig of ram than 2.. I dont know why.. but i will try and find the article.. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/13/how_much_ram_do_you_really_need/page6.html this might be it.. but i think there is another one.. Hard drive wise.. if you are going to run a mobo with Sata 3.0GB/s why dont you get a drive that supports it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144013 built a 4800+ x2 system with 2 of the 300gig version on raid 0 for a client a few months back.. They are quite but they get really hot.. so might want to think about a case fan to blow some air over them.. Also one of the drives arrived DOA.. make sure if there is any clicking or you cant find the drive.. to call maxtor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 29, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 29, 2006 Wow thx alot for all the info guys. I dont plan on raiding but for 6$ the floppy isnt much of a burden. Having never experienced XP i didnt know how to go about installing it on a OEM drive. Being behind the times i wasnt sure which was faster sata150 or 3gbps now that im sure ive chosen the 160gb by seagate, dont need much storage and i might upgrade in the future making it my slave and adding a raptor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148105 As for the mobo ya its overkill but i wanted to get something solid cause i would be OC'ing and i heard it works fantastic with opterons as well as the A8N32 does. I didnt actually notice the SLI-D, reviews on it look good. Im gonna go with that unless money becomes an issue. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136158 Finally the Ram and video card Without ram and the gpu it comes to about 890$ which leaves me in the area of about 300$ for ram and a video card. After thinking about it ive decided to try and spend an extra 50$ and get this ram, its got 0 bad reviews and only a couple had to RMA it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146890 With that said im going to stick with the 7600GT unless i can find a good sale on a 7900, if i ever needed to get a better video card i can either sell this or buy another 7600 being only 200$ its not that much to get sli going. Is there any sites that might give demonstrations on computer building, more specificly videos. I really want to cover all basis before building this thing whether what i need to do to prep myself before building and if problems should occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 If money does become an issue you could save some on the motherboard. This is the one I have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138264, and is a very good board all around. Its stable for overclocking, I've got my opteron 148 at 2.9ghz, the onboard video is decent, and the price is great for all the features it has. It had everything I needed and was the cheapest motherboard I was looking at so I went with it and am glad I did . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 seems like a pretty solid mobo, except i wanna go sli. I plan to either purchase a second video card or buy my friends 7600gt when he upgrades. Money isnt that much of a concern anymore, just need about 50-75$ extra. 2.9 opteron must be sick, what kinda HS you got on? im thinking about getting a Thermalright XP-120, but thats not for a while. 2.4 on stock cooling should be good for now ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 I've got a custom water cooling system, but I think it was a little overkill. All in all it was a great learing experience for water cooling though, but I've heard of people keeping overlocking opterons pretty cool on air, but then again I was going for dead silent as my comptuer ison 24/7 in my room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 i leave my current computer on basicly 24/7, would there be any problems if i OC'd to 2.4 and wanted to keep it stable 24/7? .. i would assume i wouldnt go over 50 degrees on stock HSF. I heard for the first week you want to keep it on only for a little bit each day so you dont overheat the thermal compound and make it inefective. .. i dont think ive left my dell off for more than 1 day in over 6 years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 Quote i leave my current computer on basicly 24/7, would there be any problems if i OC'd to 2.4 and wanted to keep it stable 24/7? .. i would assume i wouldnt go over 50 degrees on stock HSF. Not a problem at all. In fact, Optys tend to do much more than that, and stay under 50C while OCing. Quote I heard for the first week you want to keep it on only for a little bit each day so you dont overheat the thermal compound and make it inefective. It's not that extreme, but it's said that for optimal use of AS5, you'll want to turn it off once in a while for up to 200 hours after application, so the thermal paste can work at its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 Is the stock thermal compound that amd gives worth putting on, or should i go with some arctic silver like you said. For 5$ it seems well worth it. Also i keep working myself up probably for nothing as to how im going to build this comp on my own. Because ive never done anything much more than install a video card or some ram. Would all the products come with decent instructions? like how to apply the thermal paste or like .. how should i go about connecting everything to the mobo. What kind of surface to use when putting the cpu and hs on. Another question, the psu i chose says it has a 20 pin power connector with +4 pin.. the mobo says 24 pin. would that work just like an adapter? cause i know somethings gonna go wrong, either a part DOA or i cause something to fry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 24 pin pin in the new standard.. it is the 4 pin with the 20 pin connected.. I would make sure that that ps has sata and PCI-E connections also.. otherwise you are going to have to upgrade to get those.. Unless you use a molex to Sata cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 The PS is the best on the market for under 150$ 520w 12v 33A All 3 rails adjustable, LED indicators to show over/under voltage 1 x Main connector (20+4 pin) 1 x 12V (P4) 6 x peripheral 2 x SATA 1 x Floppy 2 x PCI-E (SLi support) OCZ PowerWhisper Technology OCZ PowerFlex individually adjustable power rails with LED indicators. OCZ ConnectAll universal connector. (ATX, BTX, SATA, P4, and EPS12V) PCI Express x2 ATX12V 2.01 OCZ PowerShield power leads My problem doesnt lie with computer knowledge but having no experience at all. I can buy all the parts and know they are the best but have no idea how to put it together lol. im gonna try to find some tutorials, im sure there are some out there for first time builders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 it really isnt as hard as you would think.. i would recommend getting the cpu installed out of the case then installing the mobo into the case..the wire everything.. cards, hard drives, memory... I think the fastest that I have got one built was about 20 min.. We had to get everything out of the packaging.. the only thing that take some skill is mounting the cpu onto the motherboard.. I think the retention clips have changed since then.. you use to have to use a screw driver to get the heatsink on.. That is the only part that would provide sweet pit stains.. other than that it is pretty straight forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 ya thank god for the new clips lol, my friend has to practicly jump on the screwdriver when installing a new HS on his 2800+. The case i chose has 3 temp displays, where and how would i put the one for the cpu? does it go on top of the heatsink? cause id imagine the HS has to sit flush on top of the cpu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted March 30, 2006 CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 You can try this for a tutorial: http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaT_PHiL Posted March 30, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 30, 2006 ya that tutorial is pretty good, but its kinda old. I wanna find a guide written by a really advanced builder that does all the higher end parts. If not ill rely on the manufacturers manuals. Im sure they'll provide good information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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