London 2006, 1984 Style

[ROM-DOS]

Shoreditch TV is an experiment TV channel beaming live footage from the street into people's homes. According to the Telegraph U.K. television will broadcast from 400 surveillance cameras on the streets, into people's homes. For now they are only showing it to 22,000 homes, but next year they plan on going national with the 'show'. They fly under the flag 'fighting crime from the sofa'. 

. . .now if you can remotely zoom in on your neighbors bedroom window . . .LOL

[Roco]

OOOOH you haven't seen my neighbour,

It is being done to save the cost of monitoring the cameras,

a local store was robbed between 10pm and 7am, the police wont view the tape unless he can narrow the time down to a 1 hour  slot, 

Roco  UK

[ROM-DOS]

OOOOH you haven't seen my neighbour,

LOL ~ your probably right! . . .what the heck was I fantasizing!!

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[just-]

that sounds crazy

[AsD]

Looking at that story I think George Orwell knew something for sure !! 

Best bit is the anonymous e-mail to 'shop' law-breakers, beware Big Brother is watching 

Wonder what the legal issues are with this type of broadcast, especially for minors 

[tommie gorman]

It sounds cool, for inner city use. They need it.

Civil liberties groups are concerned, with Mark Crossman of Liberty predicting the emergence of vigilante groups and an epidemic of old ladies crying wolf over young people in hoodies.

Civil liberties are protections from the power of governments. Examples include the right to life, freedom from torture, freedom from slavery and forced labour, the right to privacy, the right to a fair trial, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and the right to marry and have a family. These are usually guaranteed and protected by a constitution or by adherence to an international treaty.

I suppose when you are in public, you are not in public. 

[AsD]

Civil liberties groups are concerned, with Mark Crossman of Liberty predicting the emergence of vigilante groups and an epidemic of old ladies crying wolf over young people in hoodies.

Lmao, can just see the riots now, zimmers verses hoodies - could be great TV

[Roco]

My personal view, IMHO if your doing nothing wrong why worry,

agreed, "nothing wrong" is open to debate, but what is the alternative

Hoodies , LOL have you noticed only ugly kids wear them 

[Roco]

On reflection of my last post,

Have you seen hoodies girlfriends,

known to us Romeo's as a double bag job, one for her and one for me,

just in case hers falls off in the heat of the moment

[AsD]

On reflection of my last post,

Have you seen hoodies girlfriends,

known to us Romeo's as a double bag job, one for her and one for me,

just in case hers falls off in the heat of the moment

Don't forget the eye and breathing holes, plus a pen to draw a face on 'em.

Plus the cheap bottle of whiskey that came with the paper bags, to drink after the heated moment

[Roco]

Oh AsD  you been there 2 man ! ,I try not to breathe

I find the whiskey helps b4 hand ,

[AsD]

It's the park bench you wake up on after the whiskey that's the b*****d

[Roco]

[peepnklown]

Give up your liberties and we

[Roco]

Give up your liberties and we

[tommie gorman]

What Liberties?

If you lived in the inner city, and you had to put up with drug traffic next door. And needed more evidence to have police do something, it would help. But I think it should only be executed in high crime rate areas. I know that I would want one if I lived there, having to work there every day. They truly would want and need it, if they could.

That way you have the liscence plate number, face, and a recorded action to go with it.

Plus the criminal never knows who did it. To go back on.

Old saying: You don't have to live ghetto, to live in the ghetto. Maybe that could change some.

If that does not work, try a good rubber. 

By the way ROM-DOS, where do you live with such nice looking neighbors? 

[Roco]

Hi T, G . yeah you are right, it isn't funny , I think we in the UK have a different view of things, crime in my area  is low, but there are parts of London UK i would not venture into at night,

why is crime so prevalent ? IMHO the kids have no future that they can see,

in my day you worked hard , saved up some money , brought a car got a girl;

brought a house, and raised your kids,

today you need to find $540,000 to buy a house,in my location  (average wage for semi-skilled  is $18,000 p.a. in UK)  these kids just give up and steal, guess I would have done the same in their shoes,

is it our greed that is causing this prob. ?

[AsD]

It's a very complex issue Roco.  One aspect of human nature is an inability to be fully satisfied, this is an aspect of humans which enable us to advance and innovate.  Unfortunately if this is not channelled in a positive direction the outcome, in this instance, is crime.  In part there has been a failure of both the individual and society to provide opportunitites for those who only see crime as an option. 

Other aspects are peer pressure and greed, and unfortunately modern societies are based upon capitalism, which is ultimately centred on greed - or the desire for materialistic possesion. 

Western societies are supposed to offer liberated freedom, while ensuring we can live with each other in a tolerant manner.  However when this breaks down, problems occur, crime being one of them.

I must admit that many citizens do not wish to live by the rules that government stipulates, or indeed the morals that are intrinsic in our societies.  This can manifest itself in 'petty' crime, or organised crime which both erase our feeling of safety.

Usually the feeling of safety, of being restricted by the fear of crime, is more powerful than crime itself.  If we are to believe the statistics crime, in general, has not increased dramatically, but the fear of crime certainly seems to have.

Is the answer more control, increasing cameras, restricted anonimity and personal rights, IMO no.  The danger is too much control, negative things happen in life, and although one can do alot to avoid these instances, you cannot completley avoid them.

The danger of control is an increase in paranoia, which the media love, as it sells them papers and makes us watch the news (and the adverts), making money for these organisations. 

I think a pragmatic view is to find a balance between freedom for the indicidual, and control by the state, while offering opportunities for those who feel (or are) disadvantaged within society.  How this is done is another question, which academics, 'specialists' and the government have yet to answer.

Ultimately humans are imperfect, as is nature, and the negative aspects of society will always be with us even with complete control. This imperfection is what makes the world such an amazing vibrant place, and without it the world would loose, however imperfection and individuality brings both positive and negative.

[tommie gorman]

In my opinion, in short. It is because of the marriage failures. The father leaves and the kids have little rules, since the father is the only one that could inforce them.

And maybe a little deeper. But just in short form.

[Roco]

Thanks AsD, that is a very comprehensive view of the subject, one I will have to give further thought too, thanks for your input  

personally I don't buy a daily newspaper or have  owned  a television for the past 12 years   ,

so the media input level is low for me, but I do work with young people, and  have a daughter  of 28y ,  and grand children , and worry for their future  

Hey lighten up Roco

Wellcome to the forum AsD , I think your postings will be very valued,

Regards Roco  UK

[Roco]

In my opinion, in short. It is because of the marriage failures. The father leaves and the kids have little rules, since the father is the only one that could inforce them.

And maybe a little deeper. But just in short form.

Hi T.G. I think you version is close to the mark, I have the same problem within my family

I have a daughter with 2 children both boys , and I could see that happening, so I gave up my well deserved retirement and took over the missing father link., yes it has been hard work,

but now I have 2 grandsons to be proud of,

mind you some days I feel 110y, but when my oldest grandson got made pupil councilor

at 11y , it made  it all worthwhile,

[resopalrabotnick]

just a note. if some cam looks into your bedroom window it's your own fault. you can have them reprogram a camera that has a view of your windows. since the cameras are intended only for surveillance of public, not pubic, space they have to blank your windows out. this is done by placing a digital overlay over the windows in the cameras controller. whenever the camera pans to a view with a blanked out window in view that window is then automatically blanked by the cameras controller. since it is done at that level nowhere is there footage recorded or transmitted without the blankout.

[tommie gorman]

I would probably use mirror film, like used in cars. You can see out, but they cannot see in. Except at night. Then it is a tinted look still.

And then maybe paste some pictures of someone that resembles the mayors wife, doing something she shouldn't. 

[ROM-DOS]

Businesses and individuals in Britain may soon have to give their encryption keys to the police or face imprisonment. The UK government has said it will bring in the new powers to address a rise in the use of encryption by criminals and terrorists." From the article: "Some security experts are concerned that the plan could criminalise innocent people and drive businesses out of the UK. But the Home Office, which has just launched a consultation process, says the powers contained in Part 3 are needed to combat an increased use of encryption by criminals, paedophiles, and terrorists. 'The use of encryption is... proliferating,' Liam Byrne, Home Office minister of state told Parliament last week. 'Encryption products are more widely available and are integrated as security features in standard operating systems, so the Government has concluded that it is now right to implement the provisions of Part 3 of RIPA... which is not presently in force.

What would someone have to be smoking in order to think this is a good idea? It's nothing more than a blatant power grab that will ONLY affect law abiding people and have no effect whatsoever on "terrorists" or whatever other boogeyman will be used to justify more overreaching laws.

It's like some sick competition between the US administration and the UK one.

"Oh, yeah, you think that telephone call database is slick, check this sh*t out. We're gonna make our subjects give up their crypto keys or go to jail"

"Oooh, good one!" (high five)

[AsD]

It's like some sick competition between the US administration and the UK one.

"Oh, yeah, you think that telephone call database is slick, check this sh*t out. We're gonna make our subjects give up their crypto keys or go to jail"

"Oooh, good one!" (high five)

I think the UK are, perhaps, concerned about Vista: UK holds Microsoft security talks

Seems Microsoft probably told 'em to take a run and jump  After the British government putting through all the new laws, and allowing different types of evidence in court, the prosecution attempts might be hampered by encryption. 

Government's ultimate goal is, supposedly, the protection of its citizens but IMO this is going too far.  Yes we do need to a certain amount of 'protection', in order for a society to function, but this should not encroach upon one's right for privacy and freedoms.