UK adsl SAGA .VOL 1

[just-]

Thats why I still have my 10Mb cable connection! Just in case!

stick with it

right enough Just, but the worst part is once you are signed up and wait the 10 days for the line to adapt , then find out your true lack of speed , your ISP will say it is beyond their network, go and complain to BT, so BT says go and complain to your ISP and you go round in ever decreasing circles,

My ISP has given me details to do a speed test direct to the BT hub, lol, I was unable to compete the test because of congestion, 

I found this small print when I signed up

Can I get 8Mb speeds with Pipex?

Pipex was a member of the original group of ISP's that tested the IPstream Max service over the BT Wholesale network in the summer of 2005. IPstream Max is designed to offer broadband download speeds of up to 8Mb and upload speeds of 448Kb . Business services should have an upload speed of 832Kb. We have now launched 8Mb broadband services for all residential products. Whether or not you can actually get 8Mb is totally dependant on your BT line. However, once you make an order with us we will check your BT line to see what speed you can actually get.

no they didn't , well they never told me if they did , now they want me to do the testing for them , 

i know man its really frustrating

i would not want to go though what u goin through at all

damn BT owns everything thats the problem

[Roco]

Todays test of my amazing 8Mb

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 271 Kbps about 0.27 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Download Speed is:: 33 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 205 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 25 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 10:14am

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-3QV18IRG2

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-ECML7Y846

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

now back to my old 250Kbps service speeds 

[FiberOptic]

roco try testing with the bigger file?

[Roco]

roco try testing with the bigger file?

Hi Fiber Optic , that was the dual test , it ran out of time (7sec.)

If it had run the full test it would have been a race against the  Queens 100 birthday Telegram getting here first 

I did other UK tests that confirmed TMN results,

I have just done the same dual test , the modem is sync. at 2.3Mb this time , lower than the first test (2.7Mb ) but lol, this test is much better,

managed to do the BT hub line test and got 1917Kbps , which ties up with this test result =

   :::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 1837 Kbps about 1.84 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)

Download Speed is:: 224 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 226 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 28 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 1:34pm

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-YW4AVNZ5I

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-9C5MLYPV8

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

It looks to me that congestion and line length is the problem , and I doubt I will never see more than this speed on this BT line, not that I expected any better  , but it was nice at signing up to be given a estimate of 5Mb from Pipex.com  

Just had a disconnect, took half hour to get back on 

[cholla]

Roco;Try to catch a BT repairman at the switch box & see if you can get him to put your telephone line on a new pair in the switch box.That's some dial-up advice but I don't think it would hurt your DSL any & might help.

It also might help on the disconnects.

Do you know if the BT hub line test is anything like the dial-up data line quality test I run from hyperterminal? You might not know & I don't know.Just thought I would ask.

[Roco]

Back online after the discon. test again (dual test )

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 635 Kbps about 0.64 Mbps (tested with 748 kB)

Download Speed is:: 78 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 207 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 25 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 2:18pm

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-Y8E23VTRU

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-8U2BRYJXI

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

Hi Cholla, will reply next

[cholla]

Roco ;Tell your ISP if you get any slower your test results will look like these.Ran on my dial-up earlier today.I haven't posted a data line quality test for a while .I need to go off line to do one.I will do this & post it so you can see it.

:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 84 Kbps about 0.1 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)

Download Speed is:: 10 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 1:26pm

Bottom Line:: 1X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 102.4 sec

Tested from a 97 kB file and took 9.39 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 8.59 % of your hosts average (nts-online.net)

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-RDKQUX251

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) [!]

:::.. Download Stats ..:::

Download Connection is:: 52 Kbps about 0.1 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)

Download Speed is:: 6 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 1:33pm

Bottom Line:: 1X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 170.67 sec

Tested from a 97 kB file and took 15.21 seconds to complete

Download Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 5.34 % of your hosts average (nts-online.net)

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-TNAY2D0IB

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90) [!]

[Roco]

Bt repairman , lol never seen one , The Excange is unmaned , I pass it going to work most days, yeah I have been watching the bars on  the windows   

this problem has driven me up the pole  but nothing changes ,

the BT line test requires , a new connection made on the computer with a password ,

it bypasses the Isp and goes straight to the BT hub test page , you have to enter your line number , it then does a download test, and gives the result in Kbps , (Bt. Engineer test LOL ) no graphics during the test , just the word testing , My ISP,  Pipex.com can log in and see  the history of the  results

I can also do another BT test that shows my ISP the disconnects , or failure to connect , but I would have to run that test overnight ,  ,

Oh lol Cholla, you have reminded me to run my Dial up 56K Virgin.net service

to keep it going (once every 60 days ) as I could be back on that at this rate 

[Roco]

results of 56Kb dial up , I have adsl on this line and my r/win is far too high for this connection .but I got this accros the pond 

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 56 Kbps about 0.06 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)

Download Speed is:: 7 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 24 Kbps about 0 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 3 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/21 - 2:47pm

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-8KEPXYZWB

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-EZ6KPDC18

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

[cholla]

Roco ;Your dial-up looks fine.I'm postint the hypererminal data line quality test in text & a screenshot.just to let you see it.

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  Level                    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3                                                         

      vs.    1 3 4 6 7 9 0 2 3 5 6 8 9 1 2 4 5 7 8 0 1 3 4 6 7 9                                                         

  Freq.    5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0 5 0                                                         

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Mr. or Ms.          :                   

Entered Phone Num  :                   

Caller ID                                       

Modulation          : V.90                         

Upload Speed        : 16800 BPS                             

Download Speed      : 40000 BPS                             

Loop information    : This loop is loaded

Loop information    : Typical download speed is 19200 - 24000 BPS

Loop information    : with a V.90 modem

Loop information    : All loaded and non-loaded requirements are met

SNR                : +29.15

Rx,Tx Level (Dbm)  : -24.55, -5.07

Round Trip Delay    : 40.0 msecs

Error Correction    : LAPM

Compression        : V42bis

Statistics on data sent FROM test unit TO YOUR modem

Total Frames sent  : 104

Data frames sent    : 93

Data frames re-sent : 0

Total data sent    : 11468

Compressed data sent: 11446

[Roco]

Hi Cholla , that looks a comprehensive test , my 56K dial up lost some speed  with the ADSL service on the line , Pipex did warn me of that ,at the time, my 250Kbps pipex service ran fine 242Kbps /156Kb up, to testmy net, for 2 years, it is only since I upgraded to the 8Mb service,

that my problems started , but more or less my prophecy in my post #1

also strangly , my latency  in UK has risen from 35ms to 180ms. ?

[tommie gorman]

So how soon before you go back to your old connection Roco? I know, you are just playing around. 

[Roco]

So how soon before you go back to your old connection Roco? I know, you are just playing around. 

doubt if I can go back Tommie , as Pipex.com only list 3 levels of 8Mb service now,

my only option looks like changing ISP, there are a couple of adsl suppliers that will offer a 1-2Mb service, both have poor history in the UK, 

I might go for cable, but all I really need is a 1-2Mb broadband that is reliable and at a reasonable price, my total usage is around 1.8Gb  per month 

The present situation is , the ball is back in their court , and I am waiting for a reply ,

basically I have accused them of not taking due care in selling me the 8Mb service

and apart from doing some tests for them to prove it isn't my computer , that is done,

I ran 3 different computers with 3 adsl modems and filters,  one with a clean install, and then pointed out TMN forum was watching this upgrade saga, since then they have gone very quiet,

also I politely declined to contact BT (telco ) as my contract was with Pipex.com, 

So the Game goes on, would be nice if it was sorted by Christmas though 

   

[tommie gorman]

So you can't go back? Did it backfire, or did I misunderstand in the beginning?

I thought this started out as some sort of experiment, or game sort of. So maybe you  could clarify some for me. I thought all this time you could go back if you so wished.    All of a sudden I feel real lost.

[Roco]

So you can't go back? Did it backfire, or did I misunderstand in the beginning?

I thought this started out as some sort of experiment, or game sort of. So maybe you  could clarify some for me. I thought all this time you could go back if you so wished.    All of a sudden I feel real lost.

Hi Tommie , no, I knew there would be no going back , Just my pigheadedness, somebody had to have a crack at them , 

yeah, too full of principles me, just another windmill to tilt against,

main reason most UK adsl providers now only supply a 8Mb service,

as Just and Fiber Optic found it is all  a joke, a couple of years back my UK goverment was dismayed at the speed of UK internet compared to Europe,

and said we must have a 8Mb service , so the ISP changed the name of their 2Mb products to the " amazing 8Mb broadband * job done    IMHO

The key words used are    up to & estimate , my estimate from them was *congratulations we estimate you can  get 5Mb broadband * 

the reality is maybe 1-1.5 Mb , at the moment 650Kbps, 

just about all customers only get the max of 2.4 Mb, 

the advert's for the 8Mb is carefully worded (up to 8Mb )     

[tommie gorman]

So your old set up is no longer available? Hope it works out OK, but it sounds like that is just a well thought wish.

Not sure what to say here...best wishes then. And I suppose this is all that is available then 

[Roco]

at the moment I am getting this,  slower than my old 250Kbps service , I think I ordered a Ferrari, but  they deliverd a scooter 

still got my old 56K dial up on standby 

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 228 Kbps about 0.23 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Download Speed is:: 28 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 182 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 22 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/22 - 12:22pm

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-LH87Y90M1

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-YMQVUPEN4

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

[tommie gorman]

Just out of curiousity why did you knowing this, not at least keep the old 250Kbps service  until you knew it would work? Or is that a dumb question? 

[Roco]

Just out of curiousity why did you knowing this, not at least keep the old 250Kbps service  until you knew it would work? Or is that a dumb question? 

Hi Tommie , the 8Mb is just a upgrade to  my old 250Kbps service ,

for the same money, so I figured I would see about 1.8Mb , as that is what my line tested out at , but I will say I didn't expect the problems that I am getting with speeds this low and the disconnects, if it settles at 1.8Mb I would be happy enough at that, I know my local Telco exchange is  listed for a upgrade, due to happen last week, but no  signs of it happening yet ,   I found out by a bit of detective work , that most of Londons telco exchanges were due to start the same day , 

I logged into the BT exchange checker , and found my exchange was congested . and work was due to start on the 13 Oct 06 , so I entered some other London Excange numbers , and lo and behold they were congested,  and work was to start on the 13 th also ,  I think BT has only 5 engineers , so I ain't holding my breath on that 

Technically I could go back on to the old 250Kbps , if my ISP accounts dept. would allow that , but hey, I got the taste for speed  I have seen 850Kbps once, on this service  :lol:  , I put a seatbelt on my puter chair, and wore my old M/c Helmet  , 

[tommie gorman]

Well good luck then.    And smooth sailing then.   

[Roco]

Well good luck then.    And smooth sailing then.   

Thanks Tommie , The sad part is I was proud to be with my ISP, (Pipex.com ) on of the UK's oldest, it had great street/internet  cred.  so I am giving them a chance b4 I go ape shit , I had a adsl prob. about 11/2 years back, and they were brilliant , they e-mailed me twice a day on the progress of the problem , (telco BT  )and gave their name and e-mail add , but that was from the Techies, Thanks Jason @ pipex.com

I am still talking to suport who filter the complaints, at the moment,

are you file sharing or running P2P,  you may have malware etc, !!!!

smooth sailing ? , I wish I knew the meaning of the word , 

if there is a easy way,  or a hard way ! you can guess the on I will pick  it must be the Irish blood in me 

 

[tommie gorman]

smooth sailing ? , I wish I knew the meaning of the word , 

if there is a easy way,  or a hard way ! you can guess the one I will pick  it must be the Irish blood in me 

 

I totally understand that part, it has gotten me into a couple of scrapes before also.  And also let me walk away on my own 2 feet also. 

[Roco]

I totally understand that part, it has gotten me into a couple of scrapes before also.  And also let me walk away on my own 2 feet also. 

back up to my line speed again,

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 1826 Kbps about 1.83 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)

Download Speed is:: 223 kB/s

Upload Connection is:: 228 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 386 kB)

Upload Speed is:: 28 kB/s

Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Server 1)

Test Time:: 2006/10/22 - 11:40pm

D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-A1IUYK8FD

U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-D2JUF90VM

User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Maxthon) [!]

7.45 am UK ,I think this points to congestion in the evening , but I never saw that with my old 250Kb service though   

[tommie gorman]

With them kind of fluctations you might as well be on satelite. 

Hurry up and D/L something.

[cholla]

Right now it's 2:10 AM CDT in Amarillo.

Roco;Is the DSL you have on your telephone line or does it have a dedicated line & the phone line?If it's the first one then getting on a new pair in the SAI  telephone cross connect box Also called PCP box

might help.To make sure I'm using the correect term for England if it's like here that would be a steel box about 3 feet by 4 feet in your neighbor hood.Not the CO or terminal station.