6arett Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 My motherboard is a MSI MS-7021 ATX Mainboard heres the story: Ok, so i've accidently pluged a PS/2 Purple keyboard into a green PS/2 Slot while the computer was runing, the computer restarted, I quickly removed it from the slot I accidently placed it in, and it was siting on the memory scan screen saying "Flashing BIOS" and it was hanging their for over 45mins, than I reset the CMOS by moving the JBAT1 jumper down 1 spot. Now it has a splash screen instead of all the information, and then I got some help about POST info, the symtom of my computer is a 1 short beep and they say that it means a DRAMS error, and for the AWARD bios it says Any other beep is a RAM faliure. One of my questions are, is DRAMS the same as regular RAM? and my other question is, could their be more problembs (hardware being fried) becuase its only the first stage of detection on BIOS? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resijs Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 You gotta check to make sure the ram is in place, that mouse thing has nothing to do with it. Also, when you reset the cmos, make sure you unplug the outside "AND THE INSIDE" cables as well to make sure no power goes to the board, and wait on 2-3 JBATs for up to 3-6 seconds than return it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 25, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 You gotta check to make sure the ram is in place, that mouse thing has nothing to do with it. Also, when you reset the cmos, make sure you unplug the outside "AND THE INSIDE" cables as well to make sure no power goes to the board, and wait on 2-3 JBATs for up to 3-6 seconds than return it. My ram could be out of place? Even though I haven't touched it? and If I pluged a PS/2 Purple keyboard into a PS/2 Green mouse port while it is runing, it shoulden't of done what it is doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 25, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 Hello? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 If jiggling your components doesn't help then I'd recomend flashing your bios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 well, any plugging of ps/2 devices (wether in the correct port or not) should be avoided at all costs when running the comp. it doesn't have to, but it can do harm. from just frying the port to worse symptoms. as for ram being loose, yes, even if you haven't touched it. fixed a neighbors comp a while ago that would not start at times. turns out one of his ram sticks had ever so slightly uinseated itself, it was barely noticable when i reseated them, and that was causing the error. best bet is to take the ram sticks out and reinstall them. take the normal precautions for esd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammolo Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 Hi, you can enter bios setup and change some settings so your computer boots with the post or diagnostic screen instead of the computer maker splash screen, bout the memory check to see in the post screen to what you have installed. Post beeps usually indicate and error according to the number of beeps, each bios manufacturer has his own post codes, so be sure you are checking the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcornucopia Posted November 25, 2005 CID Share Posted November 25, 2005 Yea, you might want to try loading the optimal defaults in your bios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 26, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 My keyboard as for any PS/2 or USB keyboard dosen't respond, and today I tryed the same keyboard I pluged into the wrong port in another computer and forsure its dead, still no luck with other keyboards on the machine thats broke. I don't know whats wrong......I can't get into the BIOS thats the whole problemb, nothing responds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 26, 2005 CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 hm, sounds fried. you still got warranty on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 26, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 Thanks for the reply, could their be more things fried besides the motherboard, I have an AMD 2500+ CPU and I tryed the hard drive on another computer with a P4, and it was saying their was a problemb. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 26, 2005 CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 the only thing that should be damaged is the ps2 ports on your noard. since the ps2 isn't speced for hotplugging, the circuits are unprotected against the sparks/surges that can occur when you do, leaving the possibility of them frying. remember, if you have to hotplug in the future, use usb keyboards. the reason you can't get into bios i'd say is that the keyboard port is dead and the bios isn't set up for usb keyboard support, leaving that dead until an os loads. the not booting is probably due to the damaged keyboard controller. the hard drive problem could be due to it being in a write cycle when you shut it down, leaving some damaged sectors. that should be fixable by windows though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 26, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 I tryed using a usb keyboard a few minuets ago, and it dosen't work...nither does another PS/2 Keyboard....so my BIOS dosen't support USB keyboards? and my PS/2 Port along with the keyboard is dead...so that leads me to needing to buy a new motherboard? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 26, 2005 CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 yeah, like i said, see if you still have warranty on the mobo. and the bios may support usb keyboards, but some require that support to be expressly activated. if it isn't, the keyboard will work once windows loads the usb drivers but not in the actual bios itself. (this is basically just due to the fact that at the usb's inception noone expected a keyboard there.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 26, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 Thanks for the reply, I have my friends old perfectly good motherboard coming to me soon, although the maker is ABIT NF7, and my old motherboard is a MSI MS-7021 should their be any problembs being able to bootup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 26, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 I've relized you know right in the very beging on custom computers mostly (what I have) it displays the graphic card type and the driver version of it and stuff, right after that (when it goes black and into the MSI splash screen) it makes 1 beep, like the usual beep it makes when loading...is this the memory error thing? or is it just saying its ok?....thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 26, 2005 CID Share Posted November 26, 2005 if it doesn't display anything else when booting it might be that post (Power On Self Test) wise everything looks fine but when it actually tries to use the ps2 interface the error manifests itself. or it could in fact be the ram. if the ps2 is dead it should still boot, albeit w/o the ps2. open box, reseat all ram sticks (remove, reinstall) and see what happens. and the new board you're getting should boot as long as it's compatible with everything you're gonna install on it, it might just be that windows wants tro restart a few times to recognize all the new onboard components, and you might need to swap out some of the drivers for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 27, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 Now that I have done that I get 3 long beeps and no display now...what could this mean? I have a MSI MS-7021 motherboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted November 27, 2005 CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 did you drop your computer recently? but seriously. look up the post beep codes for your bios. try reseating all the expansion cards as well. and all plugs connections widgets and gadgets for that matter. no display kind of points to video card... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
water Posted November 27, 2005 CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 My motherboard is a MSI MS-7021 ATX Mainboard heres the story: Ok, so i've accidently pluged a PS/2 Purple keyboard into a green PS/2 Slot while the computer was runing, the computer restarted, I quickly removed it from the slot I accidently placed it in, and it was siting on the memory scan screen saying "Flashing BIOS" and it was hanging their for over 45mins, than I reset the CMOS by moving the JBAT1 jumper down 1 spot. Now it has a splash screen instead of all the information, and then I got some help about POST info, the symtom of my computer is a 1 short beep and they say that it means a DRAMS error, and for the AWARD bios it says Any other beep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
water Posted November 27, 2005 CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 Now that I have done that I get 3 long beeps and no display now...what could this mean? I have a MSI MS-7021 motherboard It looks like your making some sort of progress... or regress, however you want to think of it... Well, it COULD be that your monitor is dead or not plugged in correctly. Check all connectors and plugs... I doubt it is, but what the heck.... give it a shot. I believe you need new RAM. You already have the beeps, (troubleshooting indicator), if you have more than one stick of RAM - take out all but one, and try swapping in and out the rest to find the bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 27, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 Thanks for the replys, I have swaped out motherboards with a ABIT NF7-S from a MSI MS-7021 the ABIT motherboard I atleast got booted into the BIOS, however it will not get a display with the hard drive having power to it (I have tryed other power connectors, IDE cables, moved IDE cables around) No luck, but when the hard drive is NOT connected it starts right up and gets to the screen saying theirs no drive connected so it cant boot the OS. Then I decided to put the MSI MS-7021 motherboard back in (completly re-wired the whole computer) and now the 3 long beeps DO NOT happen anymore, its back to the regular 1 beep, (I think I installed the memory wrong when I took it out and put it back in) And waterRTBH, Do the people do it while the computer is running? (I did), It's not a BIOS splash screen its the Motherboard splash screen with the MSI Core cell stuff on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
water Posted November 27, 2005 CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 Thanks for the replys, I have swaped out motherboards with a ABIT NF7-S from a MSI MS-7021 the ABIT motherboard I atleast got booted into the BIOS, however it will not get a display with the hard drive having power to it (I have tryed other power connectors, IDE cables, moved IDE cables around) No luck, but when the hard drive is NOT connected it starts right up and gets to the screen saying theirs no drive connected so it cant boot the OS. Then I decided to put the MSI MS-7021 motherboard back in (completly re-wired the whole computer) and now the 3 long beeps DO NOT happen anymore, its back to the regular 1 beep, (I think I installed the memory wrong when I took it out and put it back in) And waterRTBH, Do the people do it while the computer is running? (I did), It's not a BIOS splash screen its the Motherboard splash screen with the MSI Core cell stuff on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6arett Posted November 27, 2005 Author CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 The ABIT thing is interesting, you no longer get a display, that could be a Winky hard drive OR it could also be that IDE cable is in the reverse postion in the hard drive. "The red wire will always go to pin 1"... what I would suggest is to try flipping the IDE cable over to where it connects to the hard drive, and then see what happens when it boots... and NO, you shouldn't do this while the computer is running (see the thread about the the Tazering) *nodnod* Bad baby, bad.... the motherboard may not have booted becuse of the cable... take out the motherboard and put it back in.... then re-install the ram again - you have a 50-50 chance of getting it right... LOL the PS2 ports can be corrected after the boot issue.. not ignoring them Ok I will work on the hard drive issue tommarow, I thought the IDE cable could only go in 1 way though? I guess not? And the PS2 Ports can be fixed in Windows? hmm BTW, I just got this new hard drive only about 2 months ago...a Western Digital 150GB Drive....couldent be bad, now could it? lol...Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
water Posted November 27, 2005 CID Share Posted November 27, 2005 anythings possible. some IDE cables don't have the guides that others have built in. That will allow you to plug them in the wrong way, check both the end that plugs into the motherboard and the end that plugs into the hard drive to see if it can be reversed. I'm thinking it's possible in your instance... the hard drive may be the factor , you can boot without it , try doing do with it the POWER OFF while you d/c it... but, we know the ABIT booted without the HD, but with the HD connected it failed. The PS2 ports we will do later is what I meant - no sense messing with them with these other issues right now, get cracking - i have a pillow calling my name, but I will stay up a while for you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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