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How many people feel strongly about the USA, and what it stands for?  

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  1. 1. How many people feel strongly about the USA, and what it stands for?

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Humans are still engaging our Prehistoric intelligence

Governments ? I guess you get what you vote for ?

just a thought, if America had lost the war of Independence , ?  I am kinda curious on that , several things in world history I doubt would have happend , WW1 & 2

I guess I didn't understand the Prehistoric intelligence  connection.Other than the "white " man was more savage than the Indians he was trying to "civilize".

On getting what you vote for.When the only choices are bad & worse & they are from the major political parties.Most independents don't have a chance.So a citizens doesn't get to vote for a candidate that will actually represent the people that elect him/her.The candidate will represent his largest contributors & lobbyist with the most money.

On the two World Wars the start of either can't be pinned on the USA.We entered both after they were well started.

I point my finger at Germany on both.

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Tremendous re-enlistment in Baghdad ......never made main stream media...guess it doesn't fit with their reporting of the hollow force, poor morale, etc.  For those who have been in the Al Faw Palace you'll have a better estimation of the number of people crammed in the rotunda.

Here is a reenlistment ceremony from Baghdad on the 4th of July. Somehow this did not make it onto network news broadcasts. Attached are pictures of what is reputedly the 'largest re-enlistment ceremony ever held in military history'.

The ceremony was held July 4, 2008 at Al Faw Palace, Baghdad , Iraq . General Petraeus officiated.

A pizzeria in Chicago donated 2000 pizzas that were made (frozen), shipped on Sunday, arrived in Baghdad Wednesday and were fed to the troops on the 4th.  Oh, by the way, the media did report on the 2000 pizzas...just not what they were for.

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I guess I didn't understand the Prehistoric intelligence  connection.Other than the "white " man was more savage than the Indians he was trying to "civilize".

i think that that's what roco was saying...

it's really embarrassing that we as civilized "white" folks would do such a thing in modern times...i feel sorry for those that are so bound up in their own inner self that they feel the need to oppress others. infuriates me...makes me wanna deny my own heritage...i feel ashamed.

how can people hurt others that way...especially those with such a noble spirit...but you're right sequoia...u and i don't often agree, but on this one...yeh...those are the true patriots...just like our boys in service fighting now for our freedom...those native american's at wounded knee and the aim members and supporters were fighting for their freedoms and like our servicemen (ironically...many of whom are native american)...were willing to lay down their lives for their cause...

it's a proud and spiritual heritage they carry from generation and despite the damage that we the "white & civilized" have done to try to burn the savage out of them they still pass their culture down and some of those folks i know feel a bit like they need to be secret about it...native language only spoken among the elders...young folks deny that they even know it til they feel they can trust you...secret ceremony that only the few and privileged get to see or take part in...the list goes on

what's my point...???...live and let live

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The Pledge of Allegiance

A Short History

by Dr. John W. Baer

Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.

Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'

A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty and justice for all.'



Baer, John. The Pledge of Allegiance, A Revised History and Analysis, 2007, Annapolis, Md. Free State Press, Inc., 2007.

Miller, Margarette S. Twenty-Three Words, Portsmouth, Va. Printcraft Press, 1976.

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It does not need or require change, It should stand as an original document the way it is. If they want a fruitloop version, then thats the one "they" should be saying, but not to change the good one to make it bad. those two look and sound ignorant as all hell.  :angry:

Very good info there pixiepistlz, thanks.

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  • 2 weeks later...
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 12:07 AM

ABC News Bans Flag Lapel Pins

Yesterday, the brass at ABC News issued orders forbidding reporters to wear lapel pin American flags or other patriotic insignia. Their reasoning was that ABC should remain neutral about 'causes'.

Since when is support for preventing our death & destruction some sort of a cause? Since when is patriotism to be discouraged. I urge you to boycott ABC and its sponsors and affiliates.

We are slowly losing everything our country stands for, and everything our men and women fought and died to preserve.


Good reason not to watch .

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  • 4 weeks later...

i got both of these from coknuck in email...and with the election upon us...i decided to post em here...so shoot me :)


As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... It is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!


As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.


As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above where the Supreme Court Judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!


There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington , D.C.


James Madison, the fourth president, known as 'The Father of Our Constitution' made the

Following statement:

'We have staked the whole of all our political Institutions upon the capacity of mankind for Self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control  ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'


Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.


Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established Orthodox churches in the colonies.


Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of Interpreting the law would begin making law an oligarchy the rule of few over many.

How then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this Country is now suddenly wrong and Unconstitutional?

BATTLE HYMN <<--click here

Listen to these high school kids.  At the conclusion check the high notes on the trumpet . . . played by a high school kid!  One of the fathers recorded it, added some graphic enhancements to the recording, and posted it on the web. 

The song, of course, is the ' Battle Hymn of the Republic.' They are good . . . and will definitely send a few shivers up your spine

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