DeadSurvivor Posted October 9, 2007 CID Share Posted October 9, 2007 My PC Stats: MGE Viper Gaming Case 550W Power Supply AMD64 3500+ (2.2GHz) MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum Motherboard (NVidia nForce3 Ultra Chipset Based) 2G OCZ RAM (4x512) eVGA 256mb 6800 Graphics Card (AGP) Short Version Of My Story: About a week ago, my 256MB 6800 eVGA Graphics Card or my Insignia monitor were having some type of pixalitation issue. The pixals lines ran from top to bottom on the monitor screen with no movement, just there without moving. The only way I got rid of the issue was to shut my PC off for five minutes then start it back up and it would work fine. A few days later, the same issue happened again. This time I decided cleaning the inside of my PC from all the dust may help the issue. I cleaned the dust (and there was a ton of it) from within the PC. I noticed the processor heatsink fan was cluttered with dust so I used the duster spray (of air) but it only pushed the dust further into the metal casing that lies between the fan and the processor (the heatsink?). I removed the fan and the metal casing that lies between the fan and processor. The processor was stuck to the metal heatsink by the grease used to keep the processor cool. I removed the processor from this heatsink carefully and cleaned the metal heatsink from all the dust within it. I laid the processor back onto the motherboard without snapping it into the plastic casing right under heat then put the heatsink and fans on top and tried to snap the heatsink clamps back into place, which was pretty hard because taking it off was alot easier than putting it back on. After I clamped it back into place and turned the PC on. I heard two long beep sounds. I didn't listen to see if there were any more beeps. After the two beeps, I immediately shut the power off thinking there was something wrong with the way I put the heatsink and fan back on. Well, after pulling the fans and heatsink off, I had problems getting the processor to fit properly. I also noticed the plastic square (between the processor and motherboard) where the processor snaps into place was broken into two pieces. I fit the plastic piece back into place and before I put the processor back on, I noticed a few bent pins. I checked online and saw that a credit card could be used to slide between the pins to straighten the pins. Well, in my case, a few pins snapped off (I didn't use much force but I learned just how weak the processor pins can be) and a few pins were still bent. Fearing any further damage to the processor, I decided to snap the processor in on the plastic part that had broken into two that I put back into place. I powered the PC up not realizing AMD chips can burn out within seconds without the heatsink attached. The fans, power supply and fan, and graphics card fan worked but nothing else worked so I shut the power off again. I noticed my processor was super hot, hotter than any shower you I've ever taken. We're talking oven hot. I put the heatsink back into place and screwed it in and screwed the removeable side of the PC case back on and hoped for the best. Since that time, there are no more beeps to tell me what's wrong with the PC (I looked up some information after I screwed up my PC). All fans but one side fan connected to the case of the PC for airflow are working. The temperature gauge on the PC is working ans says the hard drive is operational but nothing is booting up ... I assume its a default display? Well, after doing some reading online I assume I've friend my processor and also friend my motherboard in the process of my stupidity. What I'd like to know is if there is a way to test my motherboard to see if I fried it along with my processor? Is it possible only the processor is fried and the motherboard may still be good? Also, the fan on my graphics card still works. Does this mean my graphics card is still good or will the fan on the graphics card still work even if I fried that also? ... As for the RAM, I assume I can have them checked at my local Best Buy to see if I screwed them up also or does the fried componens have nothing to do with the RAM? ... I am also wondering if I indeed fried my processor and mobo, would I be better off replacing the 3500+ with a new one (since they run about $40) and possibly a new Mobo (if its fried)? Any help would be greatly appreciated and sorry for the newbie questions. -Tone- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted October 9, 2007 CID Share Posted October 9, 2007 Wow.. Computer 101 is to never, I mean absolutely never, run a modern PC with out an active cooling heatsink.. I am afraid that your process is done, which I am sure that you already figured out. I also noticed the plastic square (between the processor and motherboard) where the processor snaps into place was broken into two pieces. If the motherboard is physically damaged I wouldn't dump another processor into that motherboard. The chance for a short it too high in my opinion. I would replace it. Also after a processor has cooked most of the time some of the plastic melts below the processor depending on how long was run. Again I would replace it. As far as the rest of your stuff... It should be alright assuming that there was not a power surge cause by a short or anything. Frying a processor doesn't do anything to the rest of your system. I am kinda surprised that your BIOS didn't see that the processor was approaching critical temp and shut down. Most of the time you would have to set it up but it is well worth it! Instead of being up for 5-10 seconds as soon as it reaches a dangerous temp the BIOS would throw the " O' shit flag" and shut the PC down. I wouldn't spend any money on testing your ram at BB.. It isn't worth it and my guess is that they will say that it is all bad after they hear you story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted October 9, 2007 CID Share Posted October 9, 2007 I agree...you killed the proccessor...Swimmer's right...you should replace the motherboard and proccessor as for the RAM dont test it at Best Buy just test it when you get a new motherboard and proccessor but your other stuff should be fine, the power supply, the graphics card, and any other PCI or PCIE cards you may have added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 most like if there was damage to the motherboard then anything that was plugged into it, (except the hard drive, power supply, and optical drive) are fried from most likely a short that would happen. So look to replace your motherboard, processor, and ram. you may also have to replace your video card. Just because the fan tunes on doesn't mean that the card is working. If your motherboard is not damaged then everything is fine except the processor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmer Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 Right.. But normally a thermal event doesnt fry other components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 Right.. But normally a thermal event doesnt fry other components. If it did damage to the motherboard it could very well have. If it gets hot enough it will melt whats around the processor. If it smells burnt it probably is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siryak Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 I know all about frying computers lol. My mistake was even dumber though. It was my first computer I ever built though and I was like 12 in my defense! Anyway I got an old case and put new parts in it....Except I didn't replace the old power supply...WRONG! It didn't take long for it to start smelling burnt...Poor little guy never even got to boot up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommie gorman Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 Did it go something like this Siryak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifogigo Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 From what you are saying it looks like you broke the zif socket in the beginning and after that broke some pins off the cpu. I would say at this point the motherboard and cpu are useless and while it should not have affected any other hardware it would depend on if anything shorted together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 fifogigo, Welcome to the forum and hope you enjoy your stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifogigo Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 I plan on it, i've been reading for a while, just never thought I had anything relevant to say. And this is one thing I am good at. PC repair that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommie gorman Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 I plan on it, i've been reading for a while, just never thought I had anything relevant to say. And this is one thing I am good at. PC repair that is. Lol, you came to the right place then. Welcome aboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 10, 2007 CID Share Posted October 10, 2007 From what you are saying it looks like you broke the zif socket in the beginning and after that broke some pins off the cpu. I would say at this point the motherboard and cpu are useless and while it should not have affected any other hardware it would depend on if anything shorted together. that's what i was thinking. after physical damage to both socket and cpu... dead. throw in a new board and cpu and you should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 Yep fifogigo welcometo the little corner of the internet called testmy.net!!! But yaeh the motherboard and CPU are trashed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starship_troopers Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 Yep fifogigo welcometo the little corner of the internet called testmy.net!!! yeah, welcome, but this is a growing corner so dont worry if your crowded...the big guy just got us a new server to play on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 yeah man its freaking sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil6: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 DeadSurvivor welcome to the forum ...ur gonna get the best advice with these guys they really know their stuff...enjoy ur stay and be sure to let us know how it turns out...can't wait to hear the end of this story...but alas...it's time for beddie bye...nitey nite and fifogigo welcome to the forum ur help will be very appreciated here...just what the doctor ordered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSurvivor Posted October 11, 2007 Author CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 Thanks for all the helpful replies. What I'm doing now is determining whether I should try to get my hands on a s939 AGP MOBO with 4 DIMMs for my 2G RAM. The system is only three years old, it was still good before I worked my dark magic on it, heh. So far, I haven't found a new s939 AGP board and doubt I will. The ones I found on e-bay ... errr, I'm not paying $60+ for something that may not work, most of them have something missing. I think I'll have to spring for a new PCI-E card. I'm not sure what mobo I want yet but I've found a few where I can still use my 4x512 RAM modules (I believe they are 184 pin). Right now, I don't do much online gaming (EQII) any longer but I may get back into it again in the future so I'm going with something that can handle it. Anyone have any suggestions while I continue my search? I plan on spending a few hundred, nothing major so I'm checking NewEgg and a few other places online and locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 have you looked at the new asusboard that is coming out? support for all the latest intel multicore stuff, tons of peripherals, iirc 2xLAN and a smalllinux in the bios. so instead of booting to your full os install you can have it boot to a linux in a few seconds, that gives you skype and a browser. and since it resides in bios the best thing is if you bork your main os you can still get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted October 11, 2007 CID Share Posted October 11, 2007 neat..i want one and welcome DeadSurvivor!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifogigo Posted October 12, 2007 CID Share Posted October 12, 2007 Personally I want a tyan multiprocessor board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadSurvivor Posted October 14, 2007 Author CID Share Posted October 14, 2007 http://www.ascendtech.us/itemdesc.asp?ic=MB64ECSKV2 http://www.barebonekit.net/itemdesc.asp?ic=MB64ECSKV2LITE Can I get some opinions on both these motherboards? I'm not sure what type of reputation ECS has in regards to motherboards? Also, I couldn't find out what the difference was between the LITE and the other motherboard. Is there a difference? Right now, I'm looking for something that I'll likely pair with a 3500+, 4000+, or a lower end AMDx2 processor. I'll probably buy a decent gaming in a year or two. Right now, I'm looking for something that'll get me through the next year or two but isn't a total piece of crap machine. My main reason for going with an AGP board is to use my graphics card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted October 17, 2007 CID Share Posted October 17, 2007 hey where'd everybody go ...opinions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommie gorman Posted October 17, 2007 CID Share Posted October 17, 2007 hey where'd everybody go ...opinions?? Hun, you wouldn't want mine. I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buntz Posted October 17, 2007 CID Share Posted October 17, 2007 I never used a ECS motherboard, so I can not comment on how good they are . The different between the two motherboard is the ECS KV2 K8T800 Pro S 939 w/1394 mboard,KV2 motherboard has a firewire port on the rear panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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