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CA3LE, your analysis confirmed my beliefs. It'll be awhile before Havasu's infrastructure is upgraded. That said, there isn't anything Suddenlink (or any one) can do. I'm not sure what areas Comcast services; I know they are on a long list that doesn't service LHC. No option but Suddenlink; unless you go with Frontier and get a 7.0 Mbps DSL connection that costs just as much. Thanks for the response. What part of Phoenix? I spent 10 years in Mesa (82-92) and built pools all over the valley. Been back a couple of times and am amazed at the continued growth. When I was there both Ahwatukee and Fountain Hills were basically just ideas/dreams of developers. Thanks again, not only for the reply - also for the great site you maintain. Swizzle 1

Yes shooting for sport is one of the only sports I participate in. To me it's a goal to get my patterns tight , regular. At different ranges as well as conditions or devices. I've done this fairly heave for the better part of 30 years, more so as I get older. Hey, you do football or hockey, I do target shooting for entertainment. I've been around firearms for all of my life , literally. My family owned a sporting goods store for more than one hundred years, which ended up predominantly firearms. They do not scare me , I am not worried what they may do on their own on some drunken rampage or psychotic episode. They are nothing more than stamped , pressed ground and shaped by the hands and machines of men. Inanimate objects that will sit quietly wherever left , even corrode and rust back into their carbon based core compound. Amazingly enough, society simply needs something to blame , something to be angry with , and someone to call out, tar and feather. Even so, most people are reasonable, at the same time , many are not their true selves. Propaganda is something much more than a poster to scare children and force their parents to react. That is old school. Todays propaganda is much more infiltration into every aspect of the mind. Slight and subtle images in all media, television is key, so many people do what they do , then come home and sit dumbfounded in front of the tube, they are easy targets, very easy. Images can be manipulated so slightly to represent a piece of the puzzle, sounds and feelings within commercials and during the 'programming' << what 'program' do you prefer to watch ? For instance, I sat down last night to watch a new cooking show, hey don't laugh I do all the cooking daily, and i could always use a little something new on the menu lol I don't normally watch but at times i do, I realized how mad this whole thing really is. Soon as I sat I noticed flashes with symbols i could not recognize even paused ( lots of flashing ) , interesting the program was called 'the taste' , before breaking to commercial from the fodder it already is, the graphic is a circle with blue and red, something splashing around, and soda looking splashes around the circle, soon after the new symbol on air force one is stretched out along the right side. This all happens in just under three seconds. I played it slow several times. Just one teensy example of programming. The wife says, ' I would have never noticed that' , no likely not, at the same time , you did see it, you just did not realize it. As these 'things' , are put together in sequences until the entire message is in your subconscious. For later use to assist in collective opinion , as thought controls the future, because thoughts lead to actions or inaction in some fashion. How does this all play in with this topic, considering sidearms and such have been a part of the USA since it's inception, the procedures to change the status quo must be a wide based set. In other words feelings must be provoked, images that tug heart strings , worry and mostly fear of the unknown possibilities. Notice the succession of events over the last 12+ years. Think about it. The reality is we should begin to change our thoughts, change the way we look at things, be more positive, because even when it all seems to be falling apart, everything passes. And we grow stronger from this. When has drastic measures knee jerk decisions ever been a tactical part of any long term solution. I don't mind entertaining the latest idea's of slowing down the mass amounts of hatred in media, between sex, murder, fraud and extreme violence , the entire industry is chock full of desensitizing compounds. Sure , we can say , don''t like it , don't watch, sounds good in theory yes ? Does not work, as what we are becoming is what we are filling our thoughts with the most , right ? Goes to say , who we surround ourselves with , shows who we are , or who we are striving to become , no ?