Largest Database ever assembled

[ROM-DOS]

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world,"

said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about

the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation.

The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made"

within the nation's borders, this person added.

NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

USA TODAY is reporting; "The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, . . ."

"The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, . . ."

"The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications technologies. They provide an array of services: local and long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling habits of Americans."

"Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, . . ."

Thank God I use Qwest!!   ~  Woooohh    <img src="http://imagehouze.com/uploader/files/126/bat_angel.gif" alt="bat_angel.gif" />

Damn, they're hot on my trail!

Domestic spying inquiry killed

Justice Department says NSA wouldn't grant clearance  ~  What!!

The Bush administration wins again. The courts cannot get clearance to investigate, so the case is dropped. Apparently the government can deprive you of the rights granted by the Bill of Rights.  ~ Dang!!

[richcornucopia]

Hopefully they don't have a contract with vonage  .

[dlewis23]

well that makes me feel real comfertable on the phone

[ROM-DOS]

For every 1 million Americans whose records were turned over to NSA, the telcos could be liable for $1 billion in penalties, plus attorneys fees. You do the math.

Telcos Could Be Liable For Tens of Billions of Dollars

[resopalrabotnick]

all they collected was call data, not actual conversations.

as to the wisdom of revealing how they are gathering data...

all they can do with the data i mine it for supicious patterns and to see who is regularly calling or called by suspicious people.

i am all for freedom etc., but what exactly does anyone have to fear from this list of call times and destinations without call content?

[ROM-DOS]

A total of 502 randomly selected sheepeople found that 63 percent of Americans said they found the NSA program to be an acceptable way to investigate terrorism, including 44 percent who strongly endorsed the effort. Another 35 percent said the program was unacceptable, which included 24 percent who strongly objected to it.

A slightly larger majority--66 percent--said they would not be bothered if NSA collected records of personal calls they had made, the poll found.

yes, tommie ~ polls like this suck!!

I'm using an oldnew form a communication!!

               <img src="http://imagehouze.com/uploader/files/126/amessage.gif" alt="amessage.gif" />

               It's called Qtest!

botnick ~ it's called our so called 'RIGHTS'!!

[LC]

uh..this data isnt private

its for sale

Your phone records are for sale

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-privacy05.html

[just-]

so is this recorded in tape or digital

if digital how many Tera of data are we talking about

and where is the Data center also heeheh

[resopalrabotnick]

uh..this data isnt private

its for sale

Your phone records are for sale

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-privacy05.html

that article is something completely different from the nsa database a lot of people are getting their panties in a knot about.

[ROM-DOS]

T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless not supplying data to NSA

"If you're a Cingular or Sprint Nextel customer, well, it looks like you're in the same boat as the vast majority of landline users: those companies refused to deny participation in the NSA program."

. . .it's only getting more confussing ~ don't cell towers use the infrastructure of the local (wired) telcos? and don't 'real' terrorists already use prepaid cell cards?

. . .the point is ~ terrorists ARE winning ~ by destroying 'OUR' Constitutional rights, along with 'OUR' Constitution, slowly but surely!!

[who are the 'real' anti-American terrorist, anyway?]

Verizon sued for giving NSA phone records

"Two New Jersey public interest lawyers sued Verizon Communications Inc. for $5 billion Friday, claiming the phone carrier violated privacy laws by turning over phone records to the National Security Agency for a secret government surveillance program."

"No warrants have been issued for the disclosure of such information, no suspicion of terrorist activity or other criminal activity has been alleged against the subscribers," the lawsuit said.

"Verizon, the country's largest telecommunications company by revenue, said in a statement that the company had not yet seen the lawsuit and, because of that, believed it was premature to comment."

[resopalrabotnick]

the interesting thing is that even if a terrorist goes from landline to prepaid cellphones, switching them often, he can be tracked in the pile of connections. take your regular call destinations. some friends and family. if you get a new landline or cellphone, that pattern will stay the same. that is the way you can track people in that database even if they change their phone.

[ROM-DOS]

yeah, this chit's probably been going on for ages.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON]

. . .and now onto the lighter side (maybe);

NSA Telco Database Only Tracks Terror Suspects- All 300 Million Of Us

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Anger grows over Bush surveillance report

"Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter, the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, vowed to force executives from AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth to show up at a hearing and answer questions about what data they quietly handed over to the NSA without court approval."   

[i hope America hasn't been so defeated by fear that it can't stand up against this]

[tommie gorman]

And I suppose a Ham radio is out of the question?

[resopalrabotnick]

while we're floating the conspiracy theories:

the deployment of internet over powerline is a ploy by the cia/fbi/nsa to make amateur radios useless and force their users to employ a more easily trackable mode of communications.

[ROM-DOS]

. . .which one ~ botnick ~ lol

<img src="http://imagehouze.com/uploader/files/126/258-canyouhearmenow.jpg" alt="258-canyouhearmenow.jpg" />

      <img src="http://imagehouze.com/uploader/files/126/Can_U_hear_me_now.jpg" alt="Can_U_hear_me_now.jpg" />

                    Can You Hear Me NOW!

[resopalrabotnick]

is that the new trigger lock system where you need to key in your pin before every shot?

[ROM-DOS]

. . .have you heard AT&T's new in-house slogan;

"Reach Out and Tap Someone" 

[php]

. . .have you heard AT&T's new in-house slogan;

"Reach Out and Tap Someone" 

[tommie gorman]

So the Ham radio is harder to track then?

[xs1]

. . .have you heard AT&T's new in-house slogan;

"Reach Out and Tap Someone" 

lmao..  nice

[resopalrabotnick]

the ham radio is a broadcast, so easier to listen in to. but it's harder to determine who is using it. like cb radio. sure, you can plot positions by direction finding etc., but the anonimity is better. like cd. "this is rubber duck. fuck all cops!" pretty safe thing to do.

[tommie gorman]

So true resopalrabotnic, I did not think of that. And me an old C.B. nut.

I would never say that( "this is rubber duck. F#@& all cops!").

[ROM-DOS]

believe me, if cops or feds wanted to trianulate you ~ they could (fast and easy).

It has to do with their "Triangular theory of love"! ~ lol

[ROM-DOS]

It's not just phone companies grappling with reported potentially privacy-intruding requests from the NSA and other branches of government: Banks, Internet-service providers and other companies that possess large amounts of data on their customers say that police and intelligence agencies have been increasingly coming to them looking for tidbits of information that could help them stop everything from money launderers to pedophiles and terrorists.

The Wall Street Journal reports. From the article: 'According to AOL executives, the most common requests in criminal cases relate to crimes against children, including abuse, abductions, and child pornography. Close behind are cases dealing with identity theft and other computer crimes. Sometimes the police requests are highly targeted and scrupulously legalistic, while other times they were seen by the company as little more than sloppy fishing expeditions. AOL says that most requests get turned down.

Requests for Corporate Data Multiply

"The Justice Department last month reported that the FBI last year issued 9,200 administrative subpoenas known as National Security Letters, seeking information on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents from their banks, credit card, telephone and Internet companies without a court's approval. The records are supposed to be about people in terrorism and espionage investigations, but the FBI is not required to show how they are connected to any terrorism case."

". . .corporate lawyers often spend their energies negotiating with the government to limit the scope of their demands rather than to refuse them outright. "Companies want to be cooperative, but also have to protect their interests and their clients, and the best way to do that is determine upfront, right away about what the government is going to get and when," she said. "Often the government agrees because it doesn't want to go public with a fight."

"Fights are sometimes inevitable. Last year, the Justice Department demanded that AOL, Yahoo, Microsoft MSN and Google hand over customer search records in a bid to prove that filtering software doesn't screen kids from online porn. Google refused, saying that the government was abusing its subpoena power by seeking information that had nothing to do with criminal prosecution. A judge ultimately ruled that Google need turn over only 50,000 Web addresses, not the one million originally subpoenaed."

"But even when companies can push back they are not always willing to do so. Because they are so heavily regulated, phone companies have a long history of contact with the federal government. And the government has long been one of the telecom companies' biggest customers offering multimillion contracts for services. One key federal technology-service contract called "Networx" worth roughly $20 billion is up for grabs now. It's likely it will parceled out to several telecom companies over the next year or so."

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