dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 As some of you know I run a file/image hosting service and my current storage solution is quickly being out paced by the sites growth. For the amount of files I'm hosting the way I currently store files across many drives and NAS devices is very inefficient. So I have to build something of my own. This will be the first of 2 storage servers I have to build over the next month. The Hardware: Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147156 Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157199 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030 OS: UnRAID Hard Drives: 9x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148681 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145493 Ram is just going to be a basic 1GB stick and I will have 2 PIC-E Raid Controllers so I can have all 9 drives. Depending on what kind of bulk deal I can get will decided what drives I end up getting, should find out tomorrow or Tuesday. In the end if I go with 2 TB drives I will end up with 14.4 TB usable space, using 3 TB drives I get 21.6 TB usable space but at almost double the price. I'm leaning toward 2 TB only because the cost savings can then go towards the second server. I will have all the parts this week so this should be a fun project overall. Pics of the parts, build, and finished product coming soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriRan Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 looks awesome although if it were me i'd be going for a tad beefier CPU like the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903 it has a lot nicer L1 and L2 cache for not a whole lot more, i actually own one of these chips and it's in my brothers computer i used to use it as my main CPU back a year or so ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 looks awesome although if it were me i'd be going for a tad beefier CPU like the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903 it has a lot nicer L1 and L2 cache for not a whole lot more, i actually own one of these chips and it's in my brothers computer i used to use it as my main CPU back a year or so ago For this type of server that CPU is beyond overkill. The CPU I picked out is overkill. All this server will do is store files, it does nothing else. The OS it runs (UnRAID) is an extremely lightweight Linux that will never tax the CPU. I've seen 24 drive media server builds use a Celeron 430 and they never run into any kind of CPU issues. Plus I have to keep power usage to a minimum. Since I will be collocating this server I have to pay for power usage. EDIT: Forgot to add, the Sempron 145 Processor can actually be unlocked and turned into a Athlon II x2 by just changing a bios setting. I won't do it because I need to keep heat and power usage down, but the option is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriRan Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 ah! yeah i used to colo dual opteron servers, they can get very expensive you could always underclock the CPU to cut down even more on power usage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Sounds promising . You've introduced me to a new OS as well, already d/l , but will have to wait till late next week , i have other issues to deal with. I take it this OS is ready to accept scsi jbod as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 I recommend 2T's, and I recommend Western Digital. (I have had huge issues with Seagate, mostly with them failing after 3-12 months, almost ALWAYS. I have had the same WD 80G for 7 years, and it still works 100%.) Also, are your RAID cards SATA-II, or SATA-III? Thanks, EBrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 I take it this OS is ready to accept scsi jbod as well ? Yes, but it will turn them into a Raid in one big drive on its own, since thats what UnRAID does. I recommend 2T's, and I recommend Western Digital. (I have had huge issues with Seagate, mostly with them failing after 3-12 months, almost ALWAYS. I have had the same WD 80G for 7 years, and it still works 100%.) Also, are your RAID cards SATA-II, or SATA-III? Thanks, EBrown The problem with going with WD drives is there green drives are 7200 RPM and they use more power then the Seagate ones. I have been running 4 of the Seagate green drives in the Netgear NAS I have for a while now with no issues. It seems as long as you keep them cool they are really solid. The motherboard is SATA-3 the raid cards I'm getting are SATA-2. The mix doesn't really matter much since the entire setup will be limited by the network port speed of 1 Gbps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Yes, but it will turn them into a Raid in one big drive on its own, since thats what UnRAID does. The problem with going with WD drives is there green drives are 7200 RPM and they use more power then the Seagate ones. I have been running 4 of the Seagate green drives in the Netgear NAS I have for a while now with no issues. It seems as long as you keep them cool they are really solid. The motherboard is SATA-3 the raid cards I'm getting are SATA-2. The mix doesn't really matter much since the entire setup will be limited by the network port speed of 1 Gbps. Ah, that makes sense. So is speed really an issue for it then? (I only ask because you may be able to find a cheaper HDD of the same size, just slower.) Otherwise, I think the Seagate 2T's you picked out will work fine. The only issue I can see right now, is the lack of enough SATA power cables on the PSU. (Unless you have Sata to Molex, in which case ignore this.) Here is a PSU with 9 SATA Power Cables out of the box: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013 It's slightly more expensive than your first choice though, and again, if you have Sata to Molex, yours will work just fine. Thanks, EBrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Ah, that makes sense. So is speed really an issue for it then? (I only ask because you may be able to find a cheaper HDD of the same size, just slower.) Otherwise, I think the Seagate 2T's you picked out will work fine. The only issue I can see right now, is the lack of enough SATA power cables on the PSU. (Unless you have Sata to Molex, in which case ignore this.) Here is a PSU with 9 SATA Power Cables out of the box: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013 It's slightly more expensive than your first choice though, and again, if you have Sata to Molex, yours will work just fine. Thanks, EBrown Speed will be an issue, but it will just be limited to the 1 Gig port. The goal is to get about 70 Mb/s (560 Mbps) read/write, which on this type of setup with parity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Speed will be an issue, but it will just be limited to the 1 Gig port. The goal is to get about 70 Mb/s (560 Mbps) read/write, which on this type of setup with parity. Alright, that sounds good. Which RAID mode are you using then? (Obviously not 0, 1, or 2 by the looks of it.) Thanks, EBrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Alright, that sounds good. Which RAID mode are you using then? (Obviously not 0, 1, or 2 by the looks of it.) Thanks, EBrown None. I'm using UnRAID. The OS UnRAID makes its own raid at the OS level, its not like a traditional raid. It works just like a Drobo you just supply your own hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted September 5, 2011 CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 None. I'm using UnRAID. The OS UnRAID makes its own raid at the OS level, its not like a traditional raid. It works just like a Drobo you just supply your own hardware. Oh, ok. That makes more sense. So what features does the RAID the OS makes have? Parity, etc. Thanks, EBrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 5, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 5, 2011 Oh, ok. That makes more sense. So what features does the RAID the OS makes have? Parity, etc. Thanks, EBrown Parity, really easy recovery of a drive does fail. Boots from a flash drive which is awesome. It has active directory support, cache drive for better performance, can handle up to 21 drives on a single setup. I picked up the drives today. Got a good deal at Compusa on 2TB hitachi Drives. So thats what 9 drives looks like on my table. lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted September 6, 2011 CID Share Posted September 6, 2011 damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 6, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 6, 2011 damn What, Never seen that many drives at once have we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted September 6, 2011 CID Share Posted September 6, 2011 What, Never seen that many drives at once have we? At Fry's Electronics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 9, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 9, 2011 I finished the build this morning after picking up a few SATA cables and making some short brackets for the SATA Raid Cards. Overall not bad, 16TB of usable protected space. Will be working on #2 real soon, probably after this ships and is all setup in the datacenter. Now I gotta build a damn box to ship this sucker. Here are some pictures: CA3LE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanobot Posted September 10, 2011 CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 What is the pricing for it all? (The Datacenter stuff, hosting your server there and whatnot.) Thanks, EBrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 10, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 What is the pricing for it all? (The Datacenter stuff, hosting your server there and whatnot.) Thanks, EBrown The price of the server with the software was about $900. The drives were the most expensive thing. As for the monthly hosting cost I can't give that cost away. I never say what my operating costs are. I will get most of the cost of the server back. Since this will be replacing my current storage Items that I will sell once everything is on the new server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted September 10, 2011 CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 I finished the build this morning after picking up a few SATA cables and making some short brackets for the SATA Raid Cards. Overall not bad, 16TB of usable protected space. Will be working on #2 real soon, probably after this ships and is all setup in the datacenter. Now I gotta build a damn box to ship this sucker. Here are some pictures: Beautiful job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted September 10, 2011 CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 Yea it is nice and clean, plenty of room for heat removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriRan Posted September 10, 2011 CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 Beautiful job! i was just thinking the same thing myself CA3LE, it looks like a very well put together machine there lewis not bad cable management either although i'm sure that wasn't a main concern but it looks very good ~ TriRan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted September 10, 2011 Author CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 Yea it is nice and clean, plenty of room for heat removal. There really isn't much heat to remove out of this thing. The CPU is running at a max of 28C when I had the lid off. And the drives never go above 32C. It will probably run cooler once its in the DC since they keep it at 75F. i was just thinking the same thing myself CA3LE, it looks like a very well put together machine there lewis not bad cable management either although i'm sure that wasn't a main concern but it looks very good ~ TriRan Cable management was the primary concern of the system. Since the server is going to be far away I won't have quick access to it, so I needed everything to be cleanly laid out and labeled so that if something did happen like a drive failure I can tell my host what drive specifically to remove and its exact location. I labled every cable at both ends saying what drive goes were and I labeled the drives with there serial number and disk location in the server, from Parity to disk 8. This setup is pretty fast too. WIth out doing any customization on it yet, I'm getting about 50 MB/s read and write to it and thats through a real cheap. as in free Netgear router. Should be a little quicker once I do some tweaking then a lot quicker once I get on a real switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted September 10, 2011 CID Share Posted September 10, 2011 I suppose my point was there is always heat , and as you know , the closer you can keep the internal temps to the ambient DC temps the better. Some people just cram the cables in as they build and shovem over if even that, which creates disturbances in the flow of air as designed by the case / structure. off topic , should be interesting to see what can be done with these old HP DL380 6x1TB scsi Seagates, SGI RS-0800-LVD 8x1TB Seagates and unraid, I need the VHDCI cable and a few more drives and I'm golden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houkouonchi Posted September 13, 2011 CID Share Posted September 13, 2011 I recently upgraded my storage: Here is my machines and its all for *personal* usage. This rack is in my house: And my connection at home is 150mbits down and 75mbits up =) CA3LE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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