LorNicon Posted September 30, 2005 CID Share Posted September 30, 2005 Good point !! crippe13 , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted September 30, 2005 CID Share Posted September 30, 2005 well, i don't want to repeat it again, just scroll up and see the host of problems there is with using a medium that was never meant for data transmission (power grid) as opposed to using a medium that is intended for it( phone lines, cable etc...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorNicon Posted September 30, 2005 CID Share Posted September 30, 2005 [shadow=red,left]resopalrabotnicl[/shadow] Internet over Power Lines has it problems to work out [glow=red,2,300]But[/glow] so did cable and dsl ! My point is this !, Data Transmission over Power Lines [glow=yellow,2,300]shows very good promise[/glow] and if it does become a reality , that is a very good thing for you and I . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 1, 2005 CID Share Posted October 1, 2005 dsl still has trouble with high freq leakage, cable too but a bit less due to shielded cable. to be honest i don't want all my appliances running off a current that has anything besides the 50 or 60 Hz (depending where you live) on it. it might not huirt your stove or the toaster, but all the other devices that have some electronics in them and all the little power supplies for your phone, printer, pc, fax, alarm clock etc. etc. etc. would have to deal with filtering out a high freq signal that they were not designed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorNicon Posted October 1, 2005 CID Share Posted October 1, 2005 Not to be rude but this topic is about Internet over Power Lines !! Right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 1, 2005 CID Share Posted October 1, 2005 yeah. and that means you need a high freq signal on the powerline. that's the problem. how about internet over water supply? pulse the pressure to carry data. slower, but possible. maybe would be fun in the shower, but the dishwasher would surely pop a seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted October 4, 2005 CID Share Posted October 4, 2005 http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_5pploct04,0,5838445.story?coll=all-news-hed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 4, 2005 CID Share Posted October 4, 2005 another one bites the dust... :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted October 4, 2005 CID Share Posted October 4, 2005 but if u read the whole article...the project wasn't dropped because it didn't work...it was dropped for 2 reasons... because it wasn't econonically feasible...#1 they couldn't charge enough for it...and...#2 there weren't gonna be enough customers in that area where the project was launched...so yes it bit the dust but not for the reasons u stated resop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 4, 2005 CID Share Posted October 4, 2005 don't confuse the issue with facts. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted October 5, 2005 CID Share Posted October 5, 2005 don't confuse the issue with facts. lol would i do that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted October 16, 2005 CID Share Posted October 16, 2005 Not dead yet1!!! http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-broadbandoct16,0,4487727.story?coll=all-businesslocal-hed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted October 19, 2005 Author CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 Thanks Tonyswirl! Your first link a few posts ago is dead, but the one just posted is interesting. But, yipes, haven't been on for a while with hard disk failure and #$%@$, so was surprised to see the clash of titans early in the thread. Anyway, my original request referenced a NPR report that said a breakthrough was taking place in BPL so any technical reference before that time might have been on the wrong track for profitability and performance. Hope the Manassas trial works well. Any links to such reports would be appreciated! Here's one that I just got in the mail...Google's in on it??: http://www.telecommagazine.com/search/article.asp?Id=AR_1180&SearchWord= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted October 19, 2005 CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 The dead thread stated a local power company (PPL ALLENTOWN, PA) was getting out of their trial - not because it did not work, but that their customer base (1.3 million) was too small to ever make a profit because of competition from cable and dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted October 19, 2005 CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 Here is what was in the dead link http://www.eham.net/articles/12189 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigw Posted October 19, 2005 CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 why wouldn't the power line carry as much bandwidth as the phone line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyswhirl Posted October 19, 2005 CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 I do not understand your question - it worked great - they just could not make money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted October 19, 2005 Author CID Share Posted October 19, 2005 I do not understand your question - it worked great - they just could not make money I think he's going back in time and referencing resopalrabotnick and his suggestion that the available bandwidth would never be much above a phone line...it's all too technical for me, I'll let you guys theorize on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGODl337 Posted October 20, 2005 CID Share Posted October 20, 2005 if they could get it to work (maybe?) it would be a great way to provide internet in developing nations but otherwise new things are coming out with better bandwith so y bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resopalrabotnick Posted October 20, 2005 CID Share Posted October 20, 2005 first, the developing nations part is a good thought, but the issue with powerline transmission is range just like dsl, i think if they do have power to run a comp then they are better off using satellite internet. and to the other q, it is faster than phone line, but unlike phone, dsl, cable etc, the bandwidth of the line from the transformer is shared between all the users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGODl337 Posted October 20, 2005 CID Share Posted October 20, 2005 i am sure the bandwith could be worse example: criag hall dorms at chico: 3 dsl lines per building: 100-200 people per building and the worst part: they promised high speed broadband the fucking bastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROM-DOS Posted October 20, 2005 CID Share Posted October 20, 2005 I just hope broadband over power lines takes off someday! . . .anything to break 'Comcast's monopoly on HS in Western WA let alone their Cable TV monopoly ~ lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted March 2, 2006 Author CID Share Posted March 2, 2006 Continuing info: Info on the largest trial being built to millions in TX apparently without any RF interference issues:: http://www.currenttechnologies.com/about/index.html Info on interference issues and overview from Ham Radio concerns: http://www.qrpis.org/~k3ng/bpl.html (Note the author of above is one of the most vocal critics of BPL and is also a Ham Radio proponent - he posts on other forums if you search as "rf-engineer" and possibly other handles) info on the Comtek experiment in Manassas, VA with link to subscription page: http://www.comtechnologies.com/ http://www.govtech.net/news/news.php?id=96885 summation: the experiment in Irving, TX apparently provides no interference to RF community so might be the one to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 2, 2006 CID Share Posted March 2, 2006 my powerco down here in Tenn. is presently working on BPL in Brownsville Tenn. no problems as of yet however every new technology will have bugs and the bugs are better than the politco's setting on their asses and fueling the independent teleco's pockets and also the major teleco's pockets the power co's. took this on their own to get a piece of the ISP pie and provide broadband to places like where I live so far back in the woods they also have to pump in the sunshine haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 2, 2006 CID Share Posted March 2, 2006 BTW I have DSL and as you could imagine I pay thru the %$&* for it talking about monopolies:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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