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You are terrible......note to self...don't move next to Shug and steal wireless internet. BUT I LIKE IT!

Aahahahahahahahhahahahahha....now that was funny! So I take it that tin foil was not in your security suite?

Oh my......

It really sounds like OOL sucks in a huge way. And I'm sorry to see that because they give all cable companies a bad name. Yes...years ago cable pretty much had the market but today things are very different. We realize that you have choices and that we must work for your busienss. Let's try something.... When was the last time you called you cable company to just say hi and maybe remind them (NICELY) that you have been a loyal customer for x years and you wanted to see what special deals they could repackage you into to make sure you stay nice and loyal? Most people don't realize that cable companies run specials about every 60 days that can save you big bucks on existing services....all you have to do is ask (they arent going to call you up one day and say hey John...we have this great deal...ya want it?) None of the cable companies talked about in this thread (with maybe the exception of OOL) have contracts of any type....you are not obligated to stay with them if they offer you a better deal. Now...on the flip side of things I defy you to call Verizon up and say...hey...gimme your best deal...and no contracts please......they will :haha:you out of the building. If their offering is soooo great why is there a one year contract and early termination penalty to get their best deals? What's with that? So...all you grumbling cable guys out there....take a deep breath and call your local providers sales number and make them earn your business in a NICE way.....BE NICE....don't open the call with YOU GUYS REALLY SUCK.....that is not a smart way to get another human to want to do nice things for you...professional or not...people are people. Then post back here with your providers name and the results you had. Be honest...I want to hear the goods, bads and ugly.

I am so lame...I assumed that you would know what MISP is....here.... Multiple Internet Service Provider (MISP) There are 7 and each willingly and without being forced by any governmental action or law opens it network to other providers.

You arent up to speed on these companies are you? If so you would know that each is its own company with the exception of AOL and TW (which is obvious). You throw around RR like its a cable company which it is not. The RR tradename is actually a collective of the 7 largest MISP's who agree to share a network backbone known as RoadRunner. TW no more owns RR than the other 6 companies do and none of the companies have anything to do with each other OTHER than to share a great trade name and network infrastructure.

Here is the first 3 paragraphs since you must have missed it....the article clearly states AT&T. :haha: EARTHLINK LAUNCHES HIGH-SPEED INTERNET TRIALS OVER COX COMMUNICATIONS

Here is a great example of Cox sharing its net with Earthlink http://www.Earthlink.net/about/press/pr_Coxtrials/ Notice this paragraph!!!! EarthLink has been at the forefront of the MISP movement since high-speed Internet service was first offered over cable lines. In addition to signing a definitive agreement to offer service over Time Warner Cable

Hows about this....instead of making wild generalizations just state that your cable company is guilty of all these sins instead of lumping the rest of us with them because of the 7 largest MISPS (optionline is not one of them) all of them offer some type of equal access now and they do it willingly and without ANY legislation or otherwise. I do appreciate your frustrations but to sit there and label all because of your negative experience is hardly fair. One thing you didn't do (but I did) is admit that apparently some or all of your income is directly or indirectly derived from Telco business....that way everyone knows and we are on an even playing field. Full disclosure requires that I state fully that I am posting this information from the perspective of being a FIOS competitor. The facts posted above however are not disputable and taken directly from the FIOS contract and pricing schedules. Consumer experiences related are based on numerous news articles and forum posts and are mutually verifiable.

Grabbing my aluminumumumumumum hat and underwear right now....

Um....I'm sorry to burst any bubbles here but we (as do most of the 7 largest MISPS) have an open network. We currently carry business for Earthlink, Internet Junction, AOL Broadband and of course our own house brand. We've been doing this for years and look ma...no legislation requiring us to do so....unlike Telco's who had to be forced to do it.

WEP is easily gotten around. My suggestion is that you lock connections to mac addresses you specify and program into your router. That will effectively shut that down along with any other security measures you want to take. The most obvious way around it....don't use a wireless router unless you have no choice....cat 5 is always better anyway if you are truly performance driven.

I can see why you are upset about that. Sounds to me like someone made a very bad decision at your provider. Then again there may be some technical issues behind that you might want to look into. As for most cable based internet providers your experience is not the norm. Cable didn't get to the popularity that it has because it was a bad value. My experience has been that in most circles it's very fashionable to bash this or that utility regardless of type (admit it...we've all done it). There are those who truly have had very negative experiences that's for sure...but for the masses who do have cable based internet most love it and wouldn't trade it for anything except maybe even faster cable based internet.

Now I don't know about your cable company, but I can speak for ours. We offer fiber to the premis for business customers large and small (of course there is a price) and the performance rivals anything that a telco can offer. You might check with your cable company but make sure you are speaking with their B2B group and not someone in residential. If you really need that level of service (if your cable company is set up for it) I'm sure they have a "special" group that can meet your needs but you will have to ask to speak directly with them. It won't be an option in the IVR.

Hahahaha....you don't think that Verizon willingly allows other companies on their copper do you? Federal law requires them to. It's called equal access and this has been law for some time but let me tell you what....They fought this legislation almost to the death. I remember the days and the bogus scare tactic ads that ALL the Bell companies engaged in trying to get people to force their legislators not to pass the law. And since they passed the legislation giving equal access life has been better for all consumers..... Regards, - - VyraX - -

Actually, Verizon, SBC and several others work hand in hand with the cable companies. This so called competition that you talk about is a public myth. All cable companies that offer digital phone services utilize one of the bell companies to provide their hardline access. FIOS is in this neck of the woods hard core and the churn to FIOS and other carriers has not increased at all. There will always be those who bash the bells and those who bash the cable companies...but in the end...you will still be our customer....one way or the other....as each company at some time during the day uses the others networks to send their traffic and we get paid and they get paid....competition only exists in the eyes of the consumer....because they like rivals (must be the animal in us all). Obviously we would prefer to have you as the primary customer...in your case you seem to be so pro union that you are blinded by the light (no offense intended). Since this thread is not about unions I'm not going to go on a rant there...I will save it for a rant coming soon to forum near you....

FIOS business is a whole different beast. Also alot more money. I can't but notice that you are pro union. Then you will saddened to find out that almost 100% of the work that has been done getting FIOS ready has been done by contractors such as Knight Enterprises and similar. Rock bottom lowest bidder NON union contractors. As for the other employees...well they don't get much better either. Verizon has been hiring only contractors to fill the positions for FIOS support and at the end of two years has not been renewing individual contracts (thus not having to pay them benefits, retirement or any of the other forms of alleged derived benefits). On the flip side...being non union. MOST cable company employees enjoy competitve wages, free cable, internet and phone, OUTSTANDING medical, dental, vision and disability, significant education reimbursement and 401k with significant matching AND an actual pension after a minimum period of time with the company and these benefits start the day you hire on. Contrary to popular myth there is a line two miles long of applicants wanting to work for cable companies and for good reason. Those who don't stay probably wern't what you would call ideal employees anyway. Unlike union employees, our employees are actually required to show up on time, do a good job and be willing to work lots of overtime, sometimes weekends, holidays etc, and for their loyalty, dedication and hard work they are very well taken care of in all ways. It should be noted that Verizon came knocking on the doors of many of our employees recently, only to be laughed at when they pitched their offer. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Only one thing to point out....there are not 46,478 subs on your cable segment. Not sure who gave you that information....but it's highly flawed or your cable company doesn't know how to run their network.

Woa there sparky.....a month is not bad...many keep the logs much longer. As for FIOS don't for a second think that you are safer there. FIOS is owned by a telco, they in turn have much more regulation AND in true telco style tend to keep logs and records for everything for an eternity. Additionally one has to wonder if FIOS is sooooo good...why do they require you sign a minimum one year contract to lock yourself in to a "low" rate, with early termination fee's (just like a cell phone contract). Also...read the fine print very carefully (and there are two full pages of VERY fine print) to make sure that what you do with your internet connection is permitted. Example: FTP and other forms of serving are not permitted on FIOS..yup you can forget about webserving from your shiney new fibre connection. If you have phone with them....hope you are ready for digital phone because they will "quietly" convert your phone service once the install is done....and if you are unlucky one day...the gardner comes along and sliceOmatics your fibre drop and you lose both phone and internet. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence....before you take the FIOS plunge...make sure that you are totally aware of the cans, cannots. That greener grass may be nothing more than green spraypaint on a dead lawn. It should be noted that Verizon's repair record of damaged FIOS drops has been much the talk of the town, in some cases taking the company WEEKS to pull new fibre. Full disclosure requires that I state fully that I am posting this information from the perspective of being a FIOS competitor. The facts posted above however are not disputable and taken directly from the FIOS contract and pricing schedules. Consumer experiences related are based on numerous news articles and forum posts and are mutually verifiable.

There is no violation of law or "rights" in an ISP logging traffic to/from their network. As for specific websites especially those who are known to traffic in sexual with underage content there are already very specific laws to allow the logging of traffic on those sites for the sole purpose of prosecution of the offenders. Suspected sites in violation of predator laws are subject to monitoring 24/7 normally through some type of court order and since you won't know it or be able to detect it, your best bet is to just stay away. As for your statement about packet sniffers....don't use them to detect off your private network. If your ISP catches you...and they will, it is a 100% surefire way to wake up to a TOS violation and disabled modem.

A computer lab with obsolete equipment.....yeeeap...that will go a long way to train our future scientists.....scary.....maybe your school board should consider less football...more academics. Just a thought...

Check your PM

I'm assuming that the yahoo stuff is free to stream...but if you decide you like doing this get yourself a copy of SAM BROADCASTER and the sky is the limit....really good stuff. Being a resourceful net guru that you are I am sure you will have no problems locating it. I am also sending you private info to mine so you can see the results.

Sounds fine....is that live stream or did you have to upload the music first? If its live stream I have some things to look at that you will love....

Ouch....you can never have too much blackmail material....good Shug!