mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 I am reluctant to start this thread, as many times subjects like this tend to get out of hand, but I see this subject as a growing concearn across the masses. To be true is another thing, so keeping this in mind, allow yourself to voice your opinions, and genuine arguments, flaming as always is not permitted. There seems to be a growing consensus about Barack Obama sweeping the world in a more than unusual way, crowds gather in huge numbers, enchanted by the simple words of one man, that seemingly has the goal to unite the world, and it's religions as one. Those that are versed in the Holy Bible, will have more insight then the rest on this matter, even if your not, your opinion is valid, so please share with us. No matter what you feel, or think, say it here. This is just one link giving several comparisons on the subject, it's a bit unnerving. quote from Obama "A World that Stands as One" July 24th, 2008 Berlin, Germany Read <a href=http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/>this </a> if you care. EDIT: I read his biography and it says his father Barak Sr. is a Muslim, that Barak Jr. was born Muslim and now claims to be Christian, but the Muslims say once a Muslim always a Muslim. Anybody who wants to take a chance to vote on him is crazy, we cannot let this man in the Presidential office while we are in the fight of our life with Muslims, get real!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 I'm not really to worried about his trip to berlin or anywhere he went and getting how ever many people there because you give germans free beer and they will listen to anyone. Yes they where giving away free beer. Its just like those 70,000 people that came out to his speech on organ, but what no one told you is that they actually came out to a free rock concert, he was just there in the middle. I'm german and their are 2 things that just piss me off about his trip first. not going to see injured troops in germany, and second he gave his speech in front of the Berlin Siegess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlewis23 Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 I read his biography and it says his father Barak Sr. is a Muslim, that Barak Jr. was born Muslim and now claims to be Christian, but the Muslims say once a Muslim always a Muslim. Anybody who wants to take a chance to vote on him is crazy, we cannot let this man in the Presidential office while we are in the fight of our life with Muslims, get real!! We can not let him in because he has no clue how to run a country. He can't even get a bill passed now. He doesn't even listen to the people that employee him. He is so out of touch with the real issues. The biggest problem is people are fucking dumb, if they would just listen to what he actually is saying, they would go "yo, thats socialism". If you are in Obama supporter, Don't vote for him just because you like the guy, actually go sit down poke around online and read what he is going to do for each issue, and don't go to a major news outlet they won't tell you the truth. If you want to vote for obama and have $8 a gallon gas go for it. If you want to vote for obama and have 40% capital gains tax go for it. If you want to vote for obama and make over $250K a year and want to pay even more tax go for it. If you own a small business, and you want obama, god help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Protestant christians used to think that the Pope was the antichrist. I thought we were at war with "terror", not muslims. If your father was a pedophile, does that make you a pedophile? If your father was a murderer, does that make you a murderer? If your father wasa communist, does that make you a communist? When Obama invades Isreal, rebuilds the temple, and claims himself king of the world, then I'll call him the AntiChrist. The these same idiots said the same thing about Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. I say that Bono is the AntiChrist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Protestant christians used to think that the Pope was the antichrist. I thought we were at war with "terror", not muslims. If your father was a pedophile, does that make you a pedophile? If your father was a murderer, does that make you a murderer? If your father wasa communist, does that make you a communist? When Obama invades Isreal, rebuilds the temple, and claims himself king of the world, then I'll call him the AntiChrist. I hear ya, what about the unassigned seat in the fifth parliament in there " new " glass tower ? Who sits there ? Maybe the uniter ? In babel, or to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Just thought I would throw this in! Madam Speaker, allow me, first, to express my sincere thanks to you personally for having planned a debate on Islam on the very day of my birthday. I could not have wished for a nicer present! Madam Speaker, approximately 1400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. I am referring to Islam. Madam Speaker, let me start with the foundation of the Islamic faith, the Koran. The Koran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Who again brought this to attention ? i could not find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Geert Wilders, the leader of the conservative Dutch Freedom Party (PVV) compares the sacred Muslim text to Hitler's Mein Kampf. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1201070782163 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 I see. I have no issues w/ anyones religion, until they infringe on someone else's beliefs. And yes, that happening all around the world. Including the U.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Obama's 50 lies http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roco Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Protestant christians used to think that the Pope was the antichrist. I thought we were at war with "terror", not muslims. If your father was a pedophile, does that make you a pedophile? If your father was a murderer, does that make you a murderer? If your father wasa communist, does that make you a communist? When Obama invades Isreal, rebuilds the temple, and claims himself king of the world, then I'll call him the AntiChrist. The these same idiots said the same thing about Reagan, Clinton, and Bush. I say that Bono is the AntiChrist... well said , ghostmaster , and with respect , as dlewis said " We are not europe, we will never be europe.) thats ok with Europe ,but it leads to the question why are you in the middle East , ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommie gorman Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 but it leads to the question why are you in the middle East , ? Easy, Bin Laden invited us in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sequoia Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 I'm german Are you German or American? If you were born in the USA or to American parents you are American.You probably mean some of your gene pool is German. I vote no on Obama being the Anti-Christ.I don't give him that much credit. I hope the label will stick on him maybe that would stop some people who will vote for him just because he's black.There will be a lot who do. Personally I beleive the Anti-Christ will come from the EU sometime after the USA joins them. Vote for McCain he can't be worse than Obama will be.At least I don't beleive he will be at this point.If he's elected time will tell. Pretty sorry state of affairs when we have to vote for a candidate because he won't be as bad for the country as his opponent.Instead of having a hard choice over which one will be best for the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yes, and thousands of devout christians will simply disappear and be called up to heaven, while the rest of us have 7 years of tribulation before the destruction of earth...... Such narrow interpretations of the Bible are the same types of things that drive many extremist Muslims to do what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Yes, and thousands of devout christians will simply disappear and be called up to heaven, while the rest of us have 7 years of tribulation before the destruction of earth...... Such narrow interpretations of the Bible are the same types of things that drive many extremist Muslims to do what they do. I don't see how anyone could even compare the two, it's not very often that you hear of a group of christians setting out to kill another religion. There's all types of religious zealots , but very few that wish to kill those who don't believe what they do. With me at least , killin for any reason is not an option, but to be born and bread, raised to believe that others not like you need to be exterminated , look, it's just deep down not right. Set aside all religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 30, 2008 CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Oh really? Ever heard of the crusades? The KKK? But anyways, today's muslim extremists are yesterday's crusaders, and are tomorrow's spaghetti monster rapture terrorists. The idea of the antichrist, the rapture, killing non muslims, or the spaghetti monster god terrorists all come of the same narrow belief systems IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 30, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 30, 2008 Oh really? Ever heard of the crusades? The KKK? But anyways, today's muslim extremists are yesterday's crusaders, and are tomorrow's spaghetti monster rapture terrorists. The idea of the antichrist, the rapture, killing non muslims, or the spaghetti monster god terrorists all come of the same narrow belief systems IMO. Are you in some way condoning the muslim extremists? Because it sounds as if it's being simplified , and placed into the this imaginary food monster, white supremacist group, that maybe cause little to no outcome comparatively to muslim extremists around the world with the plan to take over the world, and they are well on there way. I'm just searching for your point here, am I correct to assume you have no belief in God ? That millions of people are involved in mass delusions, and whats going on in the world can be compared to pasta ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 31, 2008 CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 Im not condoning a damn thing. What im talking about is the fact that throughout history, there have been extremist groups from every religion. To simplify it by saying its just a muslim thing is just simply wrong. The crusaders, KKK, and even Nazis all have ties to christianity. I do not condone any violence, especially against the innocent. But you also have to look at things from serveral points of view. Folks in other parts of the world, specifically the middle east don't just flat hate us for no reason ya know. But they use their religion as an excuse to inact violence against those that oppose them, which is really why we are having this discussion now. No, im not an athiest. Science can't disprove the exhistence of a god, so I have no reason to believe the're isnt one. I just don't believe in any religions. The reference to the spaghetti monster religion was just a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 31, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 I don't believe in religions either, the more you know about more of them, it seems they all have a separate set of self made rules, I could never explain that to myself. I also know you were just using the food as an example. What I'm more interested in, is the reality of why on earth would there be huge parts of the world that have literally hated each either, they hold this for a couple thousand years, until the world grows closer by technology, and boom, it's on. Understanding the seriousness of what the world may face, if we allow it , some say that people actually create evil by not only believing it, but following it, and trying to learn it, there fore allowing evil to manifest itself in there thoughts, and spreading there idealism's. The reason we say it's muslim, is because for me at least, I'm 39 years old , ok ?, and for the better part of my conscious life, I have been listening to how these people plot and plan to cause mayhem in regions around the world. Do I take that and say all muslims are this way, not a chance. I know better. So if I sounded as if I was saying all evil is of that faith, then that was not my intention. That is what we, the world, the people of the world , must deal with, muslim extremists. Could it have been created by falsehoods from those that enjoy death, and mayhem. Possibly. edit, added a few words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 31, 2008 CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 We're on the same page, though Im only 24. They've hated eachother for thousands of years because, guess what, they are the same. The are polar opposites, tied to the same monotheistic god. Techinically speaking, Jew and Muslims worship the same "God". It all started with Abraham, and the 2 religions split with Abraham's children, Isaac, and Ishmael.....most christians don't even know this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham Though I have to ask, if you don't suscribe to any religion, why even start this topic, unles you had other motives.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 31, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 I would call myself a christian, because i believe in God and Jesus. The topic was started to hear what everyone thinks, and maybe share knowledge , and feelings on subjects surrounding the thread topic. Motive : information can help un cloud judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted July 31, 2008 CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 I didn't read the first post carefully enough I guess. You're contradicting yourself then. If you believe in "God" and "Jesus", then wouldnt that make you a christian? If you don't mind, expand on that. Im just curious. If you don't want to discuss it in the thread send me an IM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted July 31, 2008 Author CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 I didn't read the first post carefully enough I guess. You're contradicting yourself then. If you believe in "God" and "Jesus", then wouldnt that make you a christian? If you don't mind, expand on that. Im just curious. If you don't want to discuss it in the thread send me an IM. Christianity to me is the basic belief of God, and Christ. Then you have other groups that don't believe in Jesus, then others that believe in him, but don't think that he was God's son, then you have people that believe that satan is the ruler, and we should all be burning , and crawling in brimstone, I guess, and thats the knowledge i have about that. So I guess believing in God could be considered a religion. To some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted July 31, 2008 CID Share Posted July 31, 2008 yep! and yep yep i believe that all the religions hold a basic truth...and that if we all come together each with a little piece of the puzzel...there u'd have it...i believe in everyting and then some...wanna hear my alien theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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