mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 As far as I am concerned if it don't suck air it ain't alive! Reeeeaaaally............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Reeeeaaaally............. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :haha: ok anyway, uhhm, listen, I can't believe you think like that. The heart beats, the baby grows, gets bigger, has bowel movements, dreams, allo that stuff. BTW, that comment was disgusting Just have a look here>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wainer Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I am only pretty new here, and I am sure Tommy can speak for himself.............but I rather suspect he was being ironic..........and I am genuinely sorry if you were upset. Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer Hi didn't realize you were a Mod, would have PMed you instead if I had, the status logos are a bit hard to read so I hope that explains why I did not pick up on you being a Mod. fixed your quote, ket me know if thats not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Thats just shit from the Pro Life Camp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wainer Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 As far as I am concerned if it don't suck air it ain't alive! Like I don't have a problem with abortion, not that I am gung ho for it, but realistically what you are saying is that one should be able to kill a baby at full term, I can't see that makes sense it that e.g. I would hardly think you would be for allowing cat and dog owners to pour petrol over their pets and set them on fire, and it just does not make sense to me that a baby is nothing till it comes out of the Womb. Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Actually I think Pro lifers should pay the whole warfare cost! China has the right idea as far as I'm concerned. Peoples opinions change when the cost comes of of their belief ideals. If you want to pay for little Billy Bastard more power to you. I just don't believe I should have to pay considering 90% of the welfare roll is Black! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Thats just shit from the Pro Life Camp! I know it is, there's no doubt, but i don't see how someone could say that " it's not alive, or a human, or a baby human " , my brain doesn't get that part. What is "it" then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm pro sterilization that's the way to stop the need for abortion.I'm also pro life so from conception on I consider the life a human being.Let the baby be born we will deal with what to do with the baby after. This is a reason their are manslaughter laws in place if you harm a pregnant woman & cause her to miscarry.Kind of contradictory to also allow abortion. I don't know of any couple that wants a baby & is pregnant that doesn't consider the unborn baby to be alive.& would go to any legnth to stop someone from harming it.Why if it is not a human yet? I'm also against only the woman making the decision to abort.The man is sure held the father & responsible if the child is born.So the pendulum should swing both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Its just not alive. It has nothing to relate to or any life experiences. All it knows, if that, is thats someones trying to dent its head like a golf ball! If a mother or over populated county want to abort its up to them not us! Some of my beliefs and your beliefs will never coincide, but that don't we are not friends!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I guess it would be a hung jury if both of us were on it. How would you decide on a manslaughter charge against a drunk driver that hit a pregnant womans car & caused her to miscarry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I know no one will change the minds of those who believe this way, because of exactly what is being said, money, inconvenience, over population. But there is no legitimate reason for these thought other than that. none. How about birth control. It doesnt always work, but hey, then we deal with it. It's called life. And yea, you make baby's for a living ? well then guess what, your gonna have to put back into society the same, but thats cruel punishment, to make a woman with a half dozen kids work, and be away from them, BS we do it every day, and plenty of our money goes to feed the little buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I guess it would be a hung jury if both of us were on it. How would you decide on a manslaughter charge against a drunk driver that hit a pregnant womans car & caused her to miscarry? For me, thats not intentional, and that law is bull, the driver should never drive again, and do community service for life, among many, many other things, but to be tried for murder in that case ? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 For me, thats not intentional, and that law is bull, the driver should never drive again, and do community service for life, among many, many other things, but to be tried for murder in that case ? I think not. Well there is something we can agree on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've always thought a military type barracks system would be good for the welfare mothers.Some would do day care,some work outside to bring in money for the whole barracks.some would clean & cook for the group. The food would all be commodity type .So cooking would be from scratch. I think that would be good incentive to get out of that situation. The intent is in the drinking & driving.Of course you have to consider the unborn child to be alive. Would you go for manslaughter if the mother was also killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've always thought a military type barracks system would be good for the welfare mothers.Some would do day care,some work outside to bring in money for the whole barracks.some would clean & cook for the group. The food would all be commodity type .So cooking would be from scratch. I think that would be good incentive to get out of that situation. I can agree with that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 18, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I've always thought a military type barracks system would be good for the welfare mothers.Some would do day care,some work outside to bring in money for the whole barracks.some would clean & cook for the group. The food would all be commodity type .So cooking would be from scratch. I think that would be good incentive to get out of that situation. Oh yea, they could take care of themselves, and each others kids, man, thats frickin awesome, now I'm not lumping together all moms that are unwed, by any means, but those that want to live off the system, ok, I'll pay for that there buddy , hell yes, and they could teach all the kids classes, to get them out in the real world. Not a punishment at all, just doing what they want, taking full control of there lives. Feeding them, and housing them, and there kids. coknuck, there's no way we can agree all the time, hell, I dont even agree with me all the time , just ask me. Thats how this world moves forward, is by disagreeing, and coming to a common answer . Doesn't always work out perfect , but thats the way it goes man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I think this has been a good debate of different thoughts with out name calling or flaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 I agree a good debate on this. These are some cases I found.There were several more but in these the woman was not killed.In the majority both the mother & unborn child were killed.I put in a couple of assault ones too. http://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/073108_web_baby.html?imw=Y see HEAD-ON COLLISION: Unborn baby http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/blogs/index.php?blog=25&cat=114 see double fine may slow up Florida's red-light runners http://duifla.com/DuiLaw/2005_10_01_duilaw_archive.html http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=7580327 assault http://www.lifenews.com/state3411.html http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jul/22/man-arrested-allegedly-killing-unborn-child-2005-b/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommie gorman Posted August 18, 2008 CID Share Posted August 18, 2008 Well your all three full of beans. (just kidding ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roco Posted August 19, 2008 CID Share Posted August 19, 2008 Like I don't have a problem with abortion, not that I am gung ho for it, but realistically what you are saying is that one should be able to kill a baby at full term, I can't see that makes sense it that e.g. I would hardly think you would be for allowing cat and dog owners to pour petrol over their pets and set them on fire, and it just does not make sense to me that a baby is nothing till it comes out of the Womb. Best and Warm Regards Adrian Wainer I kinda go along with this , But it is a deep issue ( ) is a child , and I feel the baby in the womb is a child , have not the right to live , and should we be making the decision ? , being we have already been born by the same way ? I guess it's down to the mother , I guess us guys should learn to keep it zipped , IMHO there is now such thing as free sex without responsibility , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 19, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 19, 2008 Down to the woman huh? Anyway, obama says if a woman goes out there and " makes a mistake " , he's talking about laying down, undressing, and having intercourse, , and she happens to get pregnant, ( he was talking about his girls ) as well as in general , the he says " I don't want them punished with a baby " . Now wait a damn minute, thats a punishment ? So hell, teach them as early as possible how to do it, and how it works, so when they get to the point that they experiment, and they don't protect themselves, they can just kill the life within them to avoid being " punished ", now how does that sound, you tell me...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostmaster Posted August 19, 2008 CID Share Posted August 19, 2008 Its amazing how socialist we are when it comes to dealing with "undersireables". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted August 19, 2008 Author CID Share Posted August 19, 2008 Its amazing how socialist we are when it comes to dealing with "undersireables". I think thats an-understatement, because there not necessarily " undesirable " , they chose to live like that, it is a choice, so why not just go with it ? Productively. Besides, were doing that same thing now, and it's run rampid, why not gain control of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted August 19, 2008 CID Share Posted August 19, 2008 they feel...they move...they have a heartbeat...they react to your voice...they react to your touch...they can be sung to sleep or rocked to sleep...they do breathe (amniotic fluid) and they hiccup...they cry (and have been heard)...they suck their thumb...they display a wide range of emotions...they see and react to light...most of these things i know first hand... yep they're alive and they're human...and i know those that said it wasn't so...we both know u didn't mean it...ur not that tough babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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