Roco Is Lurching Into The 21St Century

[Roco]

, I am still om Xp Pro , but due to a deal with a local charity shop ,. I am running extended desk top with 2 TLF monitors ,

both wall mounted , best move I ever made . apart from not buying vista ,

over here in the UK talk of Win 8 for 2011 ? ,anyone got any info ? ,

I guess for me if it's true , maybe by 2014 ,(if I live that long ) I could move on ,

I see Apple Mac as to expencieve , Linux and all it's versions as wanabe windows

cloud as just a cloud that floats by , ( maybe I just don't trust the internet for my personal stuff )

nothing beats a second hard drive IMO,

anyone got any views on the way ahead ? ,

[CA3LE]

, I am still om Xp Pro , but due to a deal with a local charity shop ,. I am running extended desk top with 2 TLF monitors ,

both wall mounted , best move I ever made . apart from not buying vista ,

over here in the UK talk of Win 8 for 2011 ? ,anyone got any info ? ,

I guess for me if it's true , maybe by 2014 ,(if I live that long ) I could move on ,

I see Apple Mac as to expencieve , Linux and all it's versions as wanabe windows

cloud as just a cloud that floats by , ( maybe I just don't trust the internet for my personal stuff )

nothing beats a second hard drive IMO,

anyone got any views on the way ahead ? ,

Have you thought about a Mac Mini? They're awesome.

[tommie gorman]

I'd say stick with whats paid for as long as it is fast enough for needs. Why make China richer anyway?

[tdawnaz]

i love ubuntu...maybe a windows wanna be...but it's so light and guess what?? nobody is spying on me...recording my every move...and it's free...i need to update tho...

[Roco]

Have you thought about a Mac Mini? They're awesome.

@$900 USD in the UK , , Although I am sure they are great , I only know one mac user in the UK , ( at work ) she say's it's very good for graphic stuff ? ,

But with Christmas comming up who knows ? ,

my last build cost $450 USD , (Tower unit ) I always build with last years must have ,( Cheapskate )

it's a AMD 3 core , running XP Pro I got Christmas 2002 , I rekon Santa's got Alzheimer's , he ain't been back since ,

Ubantu ? , I tried Linux Mint but never got it online , and gave up early I guess ,

as Tommie says , it does what I need , and Xp supports all my old printers etc , (cheap ink ) , my latest Cannon all in one costs $60 for ink

my old Epson costs $15 and has twice the print run ,and good enough for letters etc ,

I never saw the "Xp no support" as being an issue , I got puters running win 95 ,

security ? , there are pleanty of 3 rd party app's that seem to cover that ,

I just talked myselfe into staying with XP :grin2: ,but then I was running Win M.e before that , never had a problem ,and indeed I nearly switched back after istalling XP ,

BTW I got an old Junior school report that says Roco don't take change easy , maybe it was right ?

[CA3LE]

@$900 USD in the UK , , Although I am sure they are great , I only know one mac user in the UK , ( at work ) she say's it's very good for graphic stuff ? ,

But with Christmas comming up who knows ? ,

my last build cost $450 USD , (Tower unit ) I always build with last years must have ,( Cheapskate )

it's a AMD 3 core , running XP Pro I got Christmas 2002 , I rekon Santa's got Alzheimer's , he ain't been back since ,

Ubantu ? , I tried Linux Mint but never got it online , and gave up early I guess ,

as Tommie says , it does what I need , and Xp supports all my old printers etc , (cheap ink ) , my latest Cannon all in one costs $60 for ink

my old Epson costs $15 and has twice the print run ,and good enough for letters etc ,

I never saw the "Xp no support" as being an issue , I got puters running win 95 ,

security ? , there are pleanty of 3 rd party app's that seem to cover that ,

I just talked myselfe into staying with XP :grin2: ,but then I was running Win M.e before that , never had a problem ,and indeed I nearly switched back after istalling XP ,

BTW I got an old Junior school report that says Roco don't take change easy , maybe it was right ?

Yeah, I had a feeling that they charged more outside the US. Lame.

Damn, Windows ME?!! I haven't seen that first hand in over 10 years. I can't believe that you didn't have problems with it... you must have been the only one.

Ubuntu is awesome, I've built a bunch of Ubuntu machines... they run great. And if you're already running Linux the transition should be smooth. They just released a new version Oct. Get it here.

What is the newegg equivalent in the UK?

[Roco]

Yeah, I had a feeling that they charged more outside the US. Lame.

Damn, Windows ME?!! I haven't seen that first hand in over 10 years. I can't believe that you didn't have problems with it... you must have been the only one.

Ubuntu is awesome, I've built a bunch of Ubuntu machines... they run great. And if you're already running Linux the transition should be smooth. They just released a new version Oct. Get it here.

What is the newegg equivalent in the UK?

not sure we have a equivalent to newegg , I use http://www.dabs.com/ , I note the Mini Mac is $1006 USD ,

to put prices into perspective wages in the UK are around 10% lower than in America , and our taxation is higher ,

( Petrol around $8 USD a gallon etc )

the UK is very much a Make do and Mend society , and I guess the reason this latest recession isn't hurting that much ?

I will give Ubantu a try on a spare computer , thanks for the link ,

[Roco]

not sure we have a equivalent to newegg , I use http://www.dabs.com/ , I note the Mini Mac is $1006 USD ,

to put prices into perspective wages in the UK are around 10% lower than in America , and our taxation is higher ,

( Petrol around $8 USD a gallon etc )

the UK is very much a Make do and Mend society , and I guess the reason this latest recession isn't hurting that much ?

I will give Ubantu a try on a spare computer , thanks for the link ,

BTW, just to add I have downloaded Ubuntu 10 10 , along with infrarecorder , and burned a disk , ( nero 8 failed ,making 3 coasters )

ran 10 10 from disk , it looks good , soon as I get some time I will install it on a spare computer ,

it could be my O/s of choice , and save me from loading questionable o/s's suplied by friends , ( I seem to be the only one with a legitimate

Xp.Pro )

also many thanks Ca3le for the link leading to Infrarecorder,

Best regards from your UK news anchor

Roco

[ninjageek]

I'd say stick with whats paid for as long as it is fast enough for needs. Why make China richer anyway?

I think windows 8 is gonna be one tough sale. They got it close to right with windows 7, Xp is still the go to system. Think Many will always keep a copy of that around. Think many will let the ol Cloud pass them by.

[Roco]

I think windows 8 is gonna be one tough sale. They got it close to right with windows 7, Xp is still the go to system. Think Many will always keep a copy of that around. Think many will let the ol Cloud pass them by.

I fully agree, Cloud ? , far to dependant on internet connection , especial in the UK , where 2Mb is the norm ,

I guess 8 would sell if the price was right , I recall Xp being around $400 USD , Win 7 is down to $ 250 USD in UK ,

my reason apart from UK cost for staying with X.p , is hardware related , ( old scanners and printers etc )

BTW , I just loaded an old box ( 1.7Ghz ) with Ubuntu 10 10 , it's early days , but so far it looks promising ,

apart from some driver issues ( no sound etc , ) and the add on's ? , but I need more time before commenting,

[Roco]

Just to wrap up this topic

Roco just got a kick into the 21 century

as Computer hardware is twice the price in the UK , I build with last years components , my last new build was Mid 09 ,

using an AMD athlon 3Ghz 3 core , I just discovered it is a AMD phenom 4 core , with one core disabled along with 6mb

L3 cache , now enabled , and running OK apart from a 4 C rise in cpu temp , now at 42 C idle , with a ambient room temp

of 22 C , but stressed it hits 60 C , I just ordered a new heatsink ( running stock fromn the box at the moment )

anyone got any experiance of the http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_43&mID=305

( I just ordered one )

Dang, I can remember the days when the CPU had no fan ,and running at 66Mhz , boot time was enough to make a cup of tea and a sandwich ,

now I boot in less tjhan 30 seconds ,

[mudmanc4]

Roco I can remember no fans on the cpu as well, just a simple heat sink about 1/4" deep.

As for the heatsink , if you have a AMD heatsink , not an aftermarket , then it's likely the best solution. The copper in the base makes all the difference in the world. Sure , heatpipes are great, but the quality of the copper is key.

Can you say if you have the oem heatsink ?

[Roco]

Roco I can remember no fans on the cpu as well, just a simple heat sink about 1/4" deep.

As for the heatsink , if you have a AMD heatsink , not an aftermarket , then it's likely the best solution. The copper in the base makes all the difference in the world. Sure , heatpipes are great, but the quality of the copper is key.

Can you say if you have the oem heatsink ?

Hi Muddy sorry for the late reply , at the moment I don't know Whether I am on my ASS or head ( family stuff )...AGAIN

indeed I am using the AMD OEM in the box with the Cpu AMD 3 core 440 ( 3 Ghz ) ,

but since unlocking the 4th core the Temp has risen , by about 2 C at idle , but the new unlocked phenom , hits the alarm point on my M/B (60 C ) while running a stress test

(OCCT ) , yeah I know that is a low set point , but I value my CPU , and another build is 2 years away ,

I have logged running temps on the Oem heatsink , I will post up the result using the artic cooler pro 7 rev 2 ,

[mudmanc4]

Well this is likely just because the extra core running , but I'de check to make sure I wasn't running any unnecessary processes that are eating thread space either.

Of course after a couple years , you may want to think of re lapping the cpu / heatsink. The stuff tends to dry out and become less effective.

[Roco]

Well this is likely just because the extra core running , but I'de check to make sure I wasn't running any unnecessary processes that are eating thread space either.

Of course after a couple years , you may want to think of re lapping the cpu / heatsink. The stuff tends to dry out and become less effective.

Just installed the arctic cooler heat pipe , sure Xp dosn't make the best use of Multi cores ,

but today I fitted the artic cooler pro 7 rev 2 ,(heat pipe )

I have been testing , result = OEM cooler

Idle 34/34, at full cpu usage , +60 c Alarm point on my M/B after 2 mins

the Arctic cooler heat pipe

idle 25 /22 ,.at full cpu usage 42/40 , at that point the Temp maxed out after 10 mins of testing , ..

BTW the ambient was for both tests 12 C ,

the interesting point for me was the added bonus of the 40% in cpu fan speed , I just like queit computers ,

BTW , my ambient Temp , 12 C = 53.7 F , for both tests , I had doors open and it's zero .C or 32 F in the UK ,

and we got snow in Nov, first time I can remember , normaly not due to end of Jan ,

Doors open ? . I just been fitting thermal insulation to my roof space , never needed that before ,

But hell, I got a socialist Goverment grant , it cost me in total $45 USD for DIY ,

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Dam another 5 years and I could have got it for free ,( age related ) ,

But was it free ? I paid enough taxes over the years,

I figure just getting some of it back ,