100cc Posted June 3, 2005 CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 SANTA MARIA, Calif.(AP) The family accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation and other crimes is trying to pull "the biggest con of their careers," the pop star's lead attorney told jurors Friday in the second day of closing arguments in the trial. "They just need you to help them," attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. told the panel of eight women and four men. "Ladies and gentlemen, it only takes one lie under oath to throw this case out of court," Mesereau said to the jurors. "You can't count all the lies under oath by (the family). How many does it take to let you know this case is a fraud?" lets find out what "The people" think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just- Posted June 3, 2005 CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 just leave him alone he is a start man !!! i think he is inocent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob12345 Posted June 3, 2005 CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 just leave him alone he is a start man !!! i think he is inocent the way things were and are going i agree but even if he is proven innocent it will take forever (if ever) for him to regain his status if things are going the way they are now....maybe.....that is just my oppinion. but look at the world today(not trying to single anyone out but...) look at how many people are suing each other for no apparent reason...a while back a man tried to rob a pizza hut and burned himself on an oven and sued and sure enough he won the case and pizza hut lost and had to pay him......stupid i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just- Posted June 3, 2005 CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 yeah that is ridiculous no matter what michael jackson did, he can be convicted but he marked the world i think he is a fabulous dancer and i like some of his tunes i dont like his personality but u cant deny he is a point in the story and he rocks the world or well he has in the pass not atm hehe im not a huge fan but i think he deserves something for what he did he doesnt deserve imunity from the court not that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100cc Posted June 3, 2005 Author CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 the way things were and are going i agree but even if he is proven innocent it will take forever (if ever) for him to regain his status if things are going the way they are now....maybe.....that is just my oppinion. but look at the world today(not trying to single anyone out but...) look at how many people are suing each other for no apparent reason...a while back a man tried to rob a pizza hut and burned himself on an oven and sued and sure enough he won the case and pizza hut lost and had to pay him......stupid i think Man true that on the issue with people today. I mean here in Texas a Registered SexOffender who's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just- Posted June 3, 2005 CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 sorry to post so many times but this news is now on testmy.net news section check out http://www.testmy.net/articles/article-84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100cc Posted June 3, 2005 Author CID Share Posted June 3, 2005 sorry to post so many times but this news is now on testmy.net news section check out http://www.testmy.net/articles/article-84 Good call just-, yea sorry about my very one sided opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull481 Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 He is innocent. damn people just want his money, i HATE people like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 MJ is an amazing artist, and has done a lot for the music and music video industries. In his personal life he is simply misunderstood, as are many people of above average talent or intellect. "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds." ~Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xs1 Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 sorry, but anyone with fame and money can get a case thrown out of court. He touches children.. Thats all their is too it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn0 Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 MJ is an amazing artist, and has done a lot for the music and music video industries. In his personal life he is simply misunderstood, as are many people of above average talent or intellect. "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds." ~Albert Einstein What The F.... Mediocre minds don't call up 5 year old boy's and ask to be their friends. AND THEN come over and "sleep over" with them. It is OK to like his career (although I have thought 'Freak" since day 1). But you can't use that to justify his out of line practices with young boys....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just- Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 What The F.... Mediocre minds don't call up 5 year old boy's and ask to be their friends. AND THEN come over and "sleep over" with them. It is OK to like his career (although I have thought 'Freak" since day 1). But you can't use that to justify his out of line practices with young boys....... true u cant justify that his personal life is crazy and i dont agree with it but his artist talents are amazing and yes he is a freak but that why he is amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
php Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 What The F.... Mediocre minds don't call up 5 year old boy's and ask to be their friends. AND THEN come over and "sleep over" with them. It is OK to like his career (although I have thought 'Freak" since day 1). But you can't use that to justify his out of line practices with young boys....... my thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 What The F.... Mediocre minds don't call up 5 year old boy's and ask to be their friends. AND THEN come over and "sleep over" with them. It is OK to like his career (although I have thought 'Freak" since day 1). But you can't use that to justify his out of line practices with young boys....... I don't claim to know anything about the truth of what happens in his home. I only know what's reported, and of what's reported I trust about 5% to be true. I know one thing that is certain, there are a lot of people hell-bent on ruining him. I pity him is mostly all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn0 Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 I don't claim to know anything about the truth of what happens in his home. I only know what's reported, and of what's reported I trust about 5% to be true. I know one thing that is certain, there are a lot of people hell-bent on ruining him. I pity him is mostly all. OK, but he freely admitted in front of a camera that he like to sleep in the same bed as these little boys. And that he thinks that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. MJ has been given anything he wants his whole life, this is probably why he thinks that if he 'wants' to sleep with boys, than he should be able to. His world is warped, but thats no excuse..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 OK, but he freely admitted in front of a camera that he like to sleep in the same bed as these little boys. And that he thinks that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. MJ has been given anything he wants his whole life, this is probably why he thinks that if he 'wants' to sleep with boys, than he should be able to. His world is warped, but thats no excuse..... Yes, its fishy, and different, but although sleeping in the same bed as somebody else may be associated with sexual activity to many people, it doesn't mean that that's what it means to MJ. We cannot assume it is; what ever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? Did you ever sleep in the same bed as your parents when you were a child? Did you feel insecure? Did bad things happen? Chances are no; otherwise, this is probably the reason for your opinion. The question becomes not to do with sexual immorality, but social acceptance of platonic gestures. If you were to ask Freud his opinion, I imagine he would say that America is too hung up its dark childhood secrets to give MJ a fair trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn0 Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 Yes, its fishy, and different, but although sleeping in the same bed as somebody else may be associated with sexual activity to many people, it doesn't mean that that's what it means to MJ. We cannot assume it is; what ever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? Did you ever sleep in the same bed as your parents when you were a child? Did you feel insecure? Did bad things happen? Chances are no; otherwise, this is probably the reason for your opinion. The question becomes not to do with sexual immorality, but social acceptance of platonic gestures. If you were to ask Freud his opinion, I imagine he would say that America is too hung up its dark childhood secrets to give MJ a fair trial. OK, don't take this the wrong way, but remind me not to introduce my son to you, ever, ever. And NO, he can't stay overnight at your house. Now that you are getting steamed......I'm just BSing you. We all have the right to our own opinions. Obviously our 2 opinions differ greatly. I guess we will just have to wait to hear the jury's conclusion. He'll probably just get a slap on the hand for feeding the boy's a little booze.( which is the lesser of his crimes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted June 4, 2005 CID Share Posted June 4, 2005 OK, don't take this the wrong way, but remind me not to introduce my son to you, ever, ever. And NO, he can't stay overnight at your house. Now that you are getting steamed......I'm just BSing you. We all have the right to our own opinions. Obviously our 2 opinions differ greatly. I guess we will just have to wait to hear the jury's conclusion. He'll probably just get a slap on the hand for feeding the boy's a little booze.( which is the lesser of his crimes) No, no, not steamed. Just playing devil's advocate, really. Didn't want this to become just another MJ bashing thread. I have a son on the way, I wouldn't let anyone, king of pop or no, bring any harm to him, that I understand. I have a lot of respect for the artist, I believe in him, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 in all his weirdness...he is a freak...with awesome talent...but his being different doesn't make him guilty...i believe him to be the victim...i think his actions have been taken out of context...that he has a peer obsession with young boys...as in he wishes to be like them...he worships boyhood (that does not make him guilty of pedophilia)...there are too many big name people that are behind him 100%...why would they risk their careers to defend him if he were anything but just strange... i pray for him...i also pray he sees the light out of this and seeks normalcy. these people (his accusers) have all changed their stories so many times since the beginning...it's a witch hunt...he's the victim...i hope the jury sees that. kudos to those of u that are open minded enough to at least explore the possibilities... in the end only he really will ever know the truth...but our justice system says beyond a shadow of a doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepnklown Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 I am not saying either or by this statement but a child sleeping with his parents and a child sleeping with a stranger (no matter how famous they are) is totally different. fallow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdawnaz Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 what i said was... "...kudos to those of u that are open minded enough to at least explore the possibilities..." i left it open (previous to that statement was my opinion)...possibilities...both ways...guilty or innocent...that's why i said, 'in the end...whatever the jury finds...only he will know the truth" er something to that effect. and there is no such thing as a wasted prayer or hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallowEarth Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 I am not saying either or by this statement but a child sleeping with his parents and a child sleeping with a stranger (no matter how famous they are) is totally different. That is because of the association that you make -- and you are not alone by any means -- with the stranger, and with what they are capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest philp Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 It seems that everyone is overlooking the real problem here. These children didn't run away from home to stay with MJ. Their PARENTS allowed it to happen!!! If he's convicted, they should all be arrested for aiding and abetting. If MJ turns out to be a pedophile, it's not because he prowled schoolyards looking for young boys. He had the boys' parents bring them to to him. What's worse, these so-called "parents" continued to let their children have sleep-overs at Neverland Ranch with someone who had already been accused of molesting a child who slept in his bed. Get Michael some mental help and lock-up the unfit parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 Couldn't have said it better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanBuren Posted June 5, 2005 CID Share Posted June 5, 2005 ill second that philp VanBuren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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