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Maybe the gui is easier to get started with , is this what you are saying ybnra--- ? As the base system differs very little from any other debian based unix system. Hell , I've seen very productive servers running on ubuntu.

I'm not calling you a newbie I am just saying it is what it caters to :/ Like example: say you were to play counter strike 1.6 It is much harder then cs: source BUT overall players can be much better and have more SKILL then the ones who play source due to the higher skill cap Same with ubuntu vs others It is a little too newbie friendly to be able to do nearly as much as others Just an opinion I don't think of you as a newbie though

i wouldn't really call myself a newbie...**humph**

root programs??...what's that? substandard. i figure...it's not broken so i have no need to fix it. and when it is broken i can't be trying to fix it with any backdoor smartypants way...i have to do it the easy way. i do appreciate you guys teaching me new stuff that i can figure out how to do tho...i wouldn't what i know if it wasn't for my brilliant son and all of you...my cyber buddies.

Wow, I think you may have started a new fad CA3LE! Not and iPhone owner or fan, but I am impressed with the etching.

thx...but...nah...i love my libre office...it's almost exactly like ms office