dlewis23 Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 Post your speedtest results with the new server, and if its close to what you got on the old server. :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 4265 Kbps about 4.3 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Download Speed is:: 521 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 8:21am Bottom Line:: 74X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 1.97 sec Tested from a 5983 kB file and took 11.492 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 32.49 % faster than the average for host (bellsouth.net) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-LTRFPD143 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Its not quite what I got on the old server. But its getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 Pretty much the same as the old server. I don't use the smart test. :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 10502 Kbps about 10.5 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1282 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 9:15am Bottom Line:: 183X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 0.8 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 9.485 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 88.17 % faster than the average for host (insightbb.com) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-LA27D5TXM User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] :::.. Upload Stats ..::: Upload Connection is:: 934 Kbps about 0.9 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 114 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 9:17am Bottom Line:: 16X faster than 56K 1MB Upload in 8.98 sec Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 26.25 seconds to complete Upload Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 25.54 % faster than the average for host (.localhost) U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-AHCDT3Z6N User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJVageli Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 With the Smartest it is WAY off :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 6483 Kbps about 6.5 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Download Speed is:: 791 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 9:23am Bottom Line:: 113X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 1.29 sec Tested from a 5983 kB file and took 7.56 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 28.43 % faster than the average for host (168.23) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-DZ5YJU2NC User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buntz Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 Same here using the Smartest test and the dual test is a little laggy. Remember I am on Comcast and most of the time I can't get a good test during the day ::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 3793 Kbps about 3.8 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Download Speed is:: 463 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 9:25am Bottom Line:: 66X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 2.21 sec Tested from a 5983 kB file and took 12.921 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 61.49 % of your hosts average (comcast.net) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-OIE54CFRY User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coknuck Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 Seems like all the test are lagging. I get a good dual test but the SmarTest sucks. :::.. testmy.net test results ..::: Download Connection is:: 10383 Kbps about 10.38 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1267 kB/s Upload Connection is:: 933 Kbps about 0.9 Mbps (tested with 1496 kB) Upload Speed is:: 114 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 9:37am D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-ISN28HXKG U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-V9TKG5RFP User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just- Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 8399 Kbps about 8.4 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1025 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 4:01pm Bottom Line:: 146X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 1 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 11.86 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 225.42 % faster than the average for host (co.uk) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-JQ8EXWLB5 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] accurate enough for me you are not serious ca3le i am editing this post cause it took seriously like 50seconds to post this something wrong with the posting action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 11784 Kbps about 11.8 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1438 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 3:59pm Bottom Line:: 205X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 0.71 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 8.453 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 131.19 % faster than the average for host (rr.com) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-BA4JDZN19 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] :::.. Upload Stats ..::: Upload Connection is:: 669 Kbps about 0.7 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 82 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 4:00pm Bottom Line:: 12X faster than 56K 1MB Upload in 12.49 sec Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 36.625 seconds to complete Upload Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 39.67 % faster than the average for host (rr.com) U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-DUEB7QG05 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] After repeated tests, the DL seems to show a bit higher, and the UL seems to be a bit slower. The site seems to react much different than in the past. I'm sure the quirks will be ironed out in no time. EDIT: in order to post, I must hit stop, then reload the page for it to post. And I don't have media center lol This is windows XP pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudmanc4 Posted February 8, 2008 CID Share Posted February 8, 2008 :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 11952 Kbps about 12 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1459 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 4:15pm Bottom Line:: 208X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 0.7 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 8.334 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 134.49 % faster than the average for host (rr.com) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-78GDMBT02 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] This is Leopard so it's detecting headers incorrectly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xs1 Posted February 9, 2008 CID Share Posted February 9, 2008 :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 19320 Kbps about 19.3 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 2358 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 6:28pm Bottom Line:: 337X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 0.43 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 5.156 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 226.41 % faster than the average for host (verizon.net) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-Y15AN2G7D User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] :::.. Upload Stats ..::: Upload Connection is:: 4133 Kbps about 4.1 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Upload Speed is:: 505 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 6:29pm Bottom Line:: 72X faster than 56K 1MB Upload in 2.03 sec Tested from a 5983 kB file and took 11.859 seconds to complete Upload Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 249.66 % faster than the average for host (verizon.net) U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-OBHIUNQGR User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunted 2 Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 My download speeds are the same 20 mb but the upload has hit higher than it did before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 8399 Kbps about 8.4 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1025 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/08 - 4:01pm Bottom Line:: 146X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 1 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 11.86 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 225.42 % faster than the average for host (co.uk) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-JQ8EXWLB5 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] accurate enough for me you are not serious ca3le i am editing this post cause it took seriously like 50seconds to post this something wrong with the posting action I'm still working on mySQL to figure out why the posts are taking a long time to process, sometimes they're normal and sometimes they take a long time... I'll get it. --- and at the end of the month I think I may be getting my host to get me another server that's in the datacenter I was normally in... I can't believe I forgot to request them to put me in the same datacenter... every time I get a new server I forget to do that... grrrr. And last time I got a bill for like $1300 because they didn't get my request to turn off the old servers. It was a friggen nightmare bill, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buntz Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 Comcast 8000/768 with power boost. It a bitch when you have to do a test between 12:00 am to 9:00am to get a good reading. It Comcastic . .. testmy.net test results ..::: Download Connection is:: 10249 Kbps about 10.25 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1251 kB/s Upload Connection is:: 1573 Kbps about 1.6 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 192 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/10 - 11:02pm D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-MXTGDCEYN U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-H147VMZA6 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 okay, changes have been made to the mySQL config, hopefully this setup will fix the problems.... let me know. -D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA3LE Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 Comcast 8000/768 with power boost. It a bitch when you have to do a test between 12:00 am to 9:00am to get a good reading. It Comcastic . .. testmy.net test results ..::: Download Connection is:: 10249 Kbps about 10.25 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1251 kB/s Upload Connection is:: 1573 Kbps about 1.6 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 192 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/10 - 11:02pm D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-MXTGDCEYN U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-H147VMZA6 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] very nice.... by the way, MY posts have been instant lately, what about you guys? -D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbuster2007 Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 new server is fast. viewing this site have been instant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buntz Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 My last post lag a little ,but I think I was trying to post at the same time as you. All my other post were instant too. Edit - This post lag about 30 second. It could be Comcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbuster2007 Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 this post now is .02 secs speed test result now, too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buntz Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 These high reading look good,but I wish Comcast could get some consistency. When I do a speed test in the afternoon or evening I will be lucky to get 4000 download. Upload stay pretty consistent. :::.. testmy.net test results ..::: Download Connection is:: 15625 Kbps about 15.63 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1907 kB/s Upload Connection is:: 1400 Kbps about 1.4 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 171 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/10 - 11:28pm D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-QCS1OBEYJ U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-FRJNEXPTW User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philp Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 My last post lag a little ,but I think I was trying to post at the same time as you. All my other post were instant too. Edit - This post lag about 30 second. It could be Comcast. Mine lag badly as well. Roughly 30 seconds and I have Comcast, too. edit: I posted this as a quote and it posted right away. Normal replies are dragging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiberOptic Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 Awesome: :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 12140 Kbps about 12.1 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 1482 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/11 - 6:44am Bottom Line:: 212X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 0.69 sec Tested from a 12160 kB file and took 8.205 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 316.47 % faster than the average for host (sky.com) D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-NRPDAQCKF User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 [!] Used to get about ~10Mb before on TMN! Great work!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiberOptic Posted February 11, 2008 CID Share Posted February 11, 2008 Upload is way off, I used to be able to get just under a meg or so before.. :::.. Upload Stats ..::: Upload Connection is:: 315 Kbps about 0.3 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Upload Speed is:: 38 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/11 - 6:47am Bottom Line:: 5X faster than 56K 1MB Upload in 26.95 sec Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 77.796 seconds to complete Upload Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 25 % faster than the average for host (sky.com) U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-JIW7QTRA1 User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 [!] This is what I get from "other" sites : Upload Speed: 1638.4 kbps (204.8 KB/sec ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunted 2 Posted February 12, 2008 CID Share Posted February 12, 2008 Do a trace route because my route changed as well and my ping went up about 12 ms to testmy.net but my hops went from 15 to 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunted 2 Posted February 12, 2008 CID Share Posted February 12, 2008 :::.. testmy.net test results ..::: Download Connection is:: 18877 Kbps about 18.88 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB) Download Speed is:: 2304 kB/s Upload Connection is:: 15012 Kbps about 15 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Upload Speed is:: 1833 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/12 - 2:15am D-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-SBC2U6Z0Y U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-QWTLMSBZ8 User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:Documents and SettingsAdministrator>tracert testmy.net Tracing route to testmy.net [75.125.181.200] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms Actiontec.EEBOBB [192.168.1.1] 2 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 71.167.54.1 3 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms P6-2.LCR-06.NYCMNY.verizon-gni.net [130.81.54.46 ] 4 17 ms 17 ms 16 ms so-7-0-0-0.PEER-RTR1.ASH.verizon-gni.net [130.81 .10.94] 5 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms eqix.asbn.twtelecom.net [206.223.115.36] 6 65 ms 65 ms 65 ms 216-54-253-2.ev1.net.demarc [216.54.253.2] 7 65 ms 65 ms 65 ms 216-54-253-2.ev1.net.demarc [216.54.253.2] 8 66 ms 65 ms 65 ms ivhou-207-218-223-126.ev1servers.net [207.218.22 3.126] 9 66 ms 65 ms 65 ms 75.125.181.200 Trace complete. C:Documents and SettingsAdministrator> My ping is up about 15 to 20 ms now that I think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunted 2 Posted February 12, 2008 CID Share Posted February 12, 2008 Got a good 1 :::.. Upload Stats ..::: Upload Connection is:: 16092 Kbps about 16.1 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB) Upload Speed is:: 1964 kB/s Tested From:: https://testmy.net/ (Main) Test Time:: 2008/02/12 - 3:27am Bottom Line:: 281X faster than 56K 1MB Upload in 0.52 sec Tested from a 5983 kB file and took 3.046 seconds to complete Upload Diagnosis:: Awesome! 20% + : 1239.88 % faster than the average for host (verizon.net) U-Validation Link:: https://testmy.net/stats/id-YBU40JT1M User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506; InfoPath.2) [!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philp Posted February 12, 2008 CID Share Posted February 12, 2008 Mine is WAY off with the new server Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:Documents and Settings>tracert testmy.net Tracing route to testmy.net [75.125.181.200] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 10 ms 9 ms 7 ms 73.213.192.1 3 10 ms 8 ms 9 ms ge-3-29-ur01.tidwell.tx.houston.comcast.net [68. 85.249.85] 4 10 ms 9 ms 8 ms po-13-ar01.greenspoint.tx.houston.comcast.net [6 8.85.244.157] 5 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms po-12-ar02.greenspoint.tx.houston.comcast.net [6 8.85.244.154] 6 16 ms 15 ms 13 ms pos-0-6-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68 .86.85.174] 7 35 ms 31 ms 29 ms pos-0-15-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net [6 8.86.85.129] 8 78 ms 77 ms 78 ms te-0-1-0-7-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net [68 .86.84.125] 9 78 ms 80 ms 79 ms te-1-1-pr01.11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net [68 .86.84.126] 10 83 ms 79 ms 84 ms 68.86.88.250 11 73 ms 71 ms 81 ms 216-54-253-2.ev1.net.demarc [216.54.253.2] 12 73 ms 71 ms 72 ms 216-54-253-2.ev1.net.demarc [216.54.253.2] 13 79 ms 72 ms 73 ms ivhou-207-218-223-126.ev1servers.net [207.218.22 3.126] 14 73 ms 72 ms 71 ms 75.125.181.200 Trace complete. C:Documents and Settings I also tested at "another" site that's usually pretty reliable and I got 5100 kbs on the DL and 357 on the UL so I don't think it's Comcast this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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